Manny for Torres straight up?

[NCRaven]

To be fair, Manny is a unique case.  He is probably the best position player to ever play for the Orioles under the free agent system (Frank and Brooks were pre-free agency).  The only player to come close was Mussina and his loss was more related to ownerships negotiating tactics than money.  Manny is a true generational talent, similar to Harper and behind Trout.

If his cost is $350 - $400 million with an opt out at some point, as some have suggested, I would have a hard time blaming any owner for saying no.  

[Moose Milligan]

11 minutes ago, wildbillhiccup said:

They did, they just missed on the talent part (i.e., Chris Davis). 

Good point, but Davis isn't a 200-250 million guy.  That's kinda what I was getting at.  

 

Now, Davis' deal will most likely prohibit us from keeping Manny, no doubt about that.  That's money that would have been better well spent locking up Manny instead.

[Frobby]

37 minutes ago, NCRaven said:

To be fair, Manny is a unique case.  He is probably the best position player to ever play for the Orioles under the free agent system (Frank and Brooks were pre-free agency).  

So you’re putting Manny above Cal Ripken?   I’m certainly not ready to go there.    95 WAR, two MVP’s, 19 all-star appearances, and four seasons with a higher WAR than a Manny has ever had to date, including two at ages 22 and 23.   I’ll grant you that Manny seems likely to top Eddie Murray, but Cal set a pretty tough standard to top.   

[Ohfan67]

17 minutes ago, Frobby said:

So you’re putting Manny above Cal Ripken?   I’m certainly not ready to go there.    95 WAR, two MVP’s, 19 all-star appearances, and four seasons with a higher WAR than a Manny has ever had to date, including two at ages 22 and 23.   I’ll grant you that Manny seems likely to top Eddie Murray, but Cal set a pretty tough standard to top.   

Through age 24 season: Manny 27.9 WAR, Ripken 27.9 WAR. Pretty freaking amazing, isn't it?!

[Moose Milligan]

8 minutes ago, Ohfan67 said:

Through age 24 season: Manny 27.9 WAR, Ripken 27.9 WAR. Pretty freaking amazing, isn't it?!

I'd have to look but I'm assuming that Manny had more at bats (essentially more time) to accumulate that WAR compared to Ripken?

[Beef Supreme]

Just now, Moose Milligan said:

I'd have to look but I'm assuming that Manny had more at bats (essentially more time) to accumulate that WAR compared to Ripken?

Betcha Manny had fewer ABs than Cal

 

[Beef Supreme]

1 hour ago, Moose Milligan said:

While this article is pure BS and half conjecture, for arguments sake let's play make believe and say it did happen.  The Orioles trade Manny to the Yankees for Gleybar and a few other prospects, but Gleybar is the centerpiece of the deal. 

Say Gleybar turns out to be everything he's touted to be.  He's a Top 10 MLB player, just like Manny.

Are we going to be doing a bunch of handwringing in 4-5 years and wondering if the Orioles are going to keep him?  Or are we going to resign to the fact that we'll have to trade him for a package of prospects or end up letting him walk? 

If the Orioles could pull that off, it would be a smart strategy financially.

[Moose Milligan]

4 minutes ago, Beef Supreme said:

Betcha Manny had fewer ABs than Cal

 

Wait, no.  I'm sticking to it.  Manny had more at bats than Cal, let's see who's correct.

[Beef Supreme]

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Just now, Moose Milligan said:

Whoops, you're right.  I had it backwards.  Been a long day.

Thanks, Moose, now don't have to do the math. Looked like maybe 100PAs at first glance.

[Beef Supreme]

...now  I  don't have to do the math...

[Moose Milligan]

3 minutes ago, Beef Supreme said:

Th

Thanks, Moose, now don't have to do the math. Looked like maybe 100PAs at first glance.

Manny - 510 more PAs through age 24 season.  

 

 

[weams]

1 hour ago, wildbillhiccup said:

They did, they just missed on the talent part (i.e., Chris Davis). 

If Manny were available to sign for 162 million, 262 million or even 362 million I think he would be signed. 

[weams]

15 minutes ago, Moose Milligan said:

I'd have to look but I'm assuming that Manny had more at bats (essentially more time) to accumulate that WAR compared to Ripken?

You know what Bob Ryan says about WAR. "It's not a stat. It's not even a bunch of stats put together. It's an opinion."

[Beef Supreme]

15 minutes ago, Moose Milligan said:

Wait, no.  I'm sticking to it.  Manny had more at bats than Cal, let's see who's correct.

You were right. I lose the best. Don't know the real number but it looks like 600 more PAs for Machado

[Beef Supreme]

9 minutes ago, Moose Milligan said:

Manny - 510 more PAs through age 24 season.

 

 

Thanks for doing the math. I glanced it in two windows without doing the real work of addition and subtraction. Manny needed them to offset the SS bump in WAR.