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[weams]

Just now, Frobby said:

 

Shows what I know.    I think Caleb was very cowed by what happened last year.  

I think Caleb is marginal. 

[weams]

Just now, weams said:

I think Caleb is marginal. 

But nice. Very nice. 

[Frobby]

2 minutes ago, Frobby said:

 Optimistic spin of the hour: we haven't heard about Schoop and Gausman because the O's are wrapping up longer-term deals for each of them. 

 

2 minutes ago, phillyOs119 said:

A Schoop/Gausman double extension would make me happy.

Me too.    They're the two guys I'd be targeting this winter, if Manny's out of the picture.

[Can_of_corn]

3 minutes ago, weams said:

But nice. Very nice. 

Good chance for a nice career in baseball after baseball.

[weams]

2 minutes ago, Frobby said:

 

Me too.    They're the two guys I'd be targeting this winter, if Manny's out of the picture.

Manny's out of the picture. 

[weams]

Just now, Can_of_corn said:

Good chance for a nice career in baseball after baseball.

I can see him in a Dave Johnson role. 

[Frobby]

Just now, weams said:

I think Caleb is marginal. 

4 years, 4.1 rWAR.    Three of those years he was worth 1.2, 2.2 and 1.6.    Other than his miserable 2016 campaign, he's been quite valuable, IMO.

 

By comparison, Ryan Flaherty made $1.075 mm his first year of arbitration, and $1.5 mm in his second.   Do you think he was more valuable than Caleb?    I sure don't.

[Number5]

19 minutes ago, Frobby said:

I thought MLBTR's $1.4 mm estimate for him was very low.   

Optimistic spin of the hour: we haven't heard about Schoop and Gausman because the O's are wrapping up longer-term deals for each of them. 

The $150K saved from MLBTR's estimate on Joseph pays for the risk on taking 3 Rule 5 guys.  I told ya Dan had a plan! 

[SteveA]

3 minutes ago, Number5 said:

The $150K saved from MLBTR's estimate on Joseph pays for the risk on taking 3 Rule 5 guys.  I told ya Dan had a plan! 

We should have non-tendered Manny and gotten 320 Rule 5 guys.

[maybenxtyr]

$16 million for Manny...that is kind of low in my opinion. Glad it's done though.

[TradeAngelos]

26 minutes ago, Frobby said:

 

Me too.    They're the two guys I'd be targeting this winter, if Manny's out of the picture.

Only if Manny isn't in the picture? Why?

[Frobby]

1 minute ago, TradeAngelos said:

Only if Manny isn't in the picture? Why?

Because if Manny's in the picture, I'd be targeting him before worrying about the other two.

[TradeAngelos]

1 minute ago, Frobby said:

Because if Manny's in the picture, I'd be targeting him before worrying about the other two.

Oh ok gotcha. 

[Number5]

2 minutes ago, maybenxtyr said:

$16 million for Manny...that is kind of low in my opinion. Glad it's done though.

That they agreed on $16 million after numbers were exchanged makes me wonder what the numbers were.  Seems to me that Manny's number must have been really high and his agent realized that there was a good chance that the arbiter would go with the Orioles' number.  We will never know, though.  In any case, it seems to have worked out well for the Orioles.

[Luke-OH]

5 minutes ago, TradeAngelos said:

Only if Manny isn't in the picture? Why?

If they extend all three (which is 99.9% a pipe dream), they'd be looking at a 130m (give or take a few million) payroll in 2018 without signing any FAs this offseason or next offseason.