Cashner signing

[wildbillhiccup]

26 minutes ago, Redskins Rick said:

Trades are well enough, if you are going after a true TOR.

But, just to trade and get an arm, create holes in your own lineup.

 

They wouldn't have to trade a player in their lineup to land a marginal talent like Cashner. But their best move would have been to trade Machado for a young "potential" TOR. 

[Can_of_corn]

Just now, MDtransplant757 said:

You're never to old when it comes to video games IMO

And if they made a version for the PC I'd try it once it was 40% off on Steam.

[interloper]

Just now, Can_of_corn said:

Nope.

Peter just likes to kick it down the road.

He does love to do that, huh. 

I wonder if some players like it, too, as a little security down the road?

[Can_of_corn]

1 minute ago, Frobby said:

Cashner has never thrown more than 316.2 innings in consecutive seasons, so if his option vests (at 340 innings) or turns into a player option (at 360), I’ll consider that a win for the club.   He’d have to pitch pretty decently to do that, I think.

Ubaldo never got past 326.1 in two consecutive years with us.

Yep, smart piece of deal making.

[weams]

3 minutes ago, interloper said:

Dangit, how are tweets embedded these days.

You post the link as plain text. It has been that way since the switch to Invison last year. 

[atomic]

4 minutes ago, wildcard said:

So do you think Dan is clever enough to get Arrieta with a  3/63 with two vesting option of 21m each?   Signed on or about March 1st.  I think he has the budget to do that.

Clever?  No one is going to get Arrieta for 3 / 63.  You need to give up on your delusional Oriole Arrieta reunited dreams. 

[wildbillhiccup]

2 minutes ago, OrioleDog said:

With SP3 aboard, I'm honestly torn between SP4 and C if we have one more ~$10M slot.  Obviously both Lucroy and another upgrade at SP would be nice, but if we can't have both, I think Lucroy offers more upside.

Cashner is a SP 5 a good pitching staff, and a SP 3 on a bad one. And Lucroy is toast. His 2016 production was a blip on the radar and will never happen again. 

[OFFNY]

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In my rat's ass of an opinion, we still need one more solid starter ........ hopefully Cobb or Lynn.

I can deal with 4 solid starters and the proverbial "wing-and-a-prayer" for the 5th spot.

2 solid starting pitchers in a 5-man rotation is awful, as we saw last year.

3 solid starting pitchers in a 5-man rotation is still pretty seriously lacking, in terms of expecting to be a bonafide contender.

4 solid starting pitchers in a 5-man rotation is very doable in terms of contending for a playoff berth, even in a tough divisions such as the AL East.

 

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[jdwilde1]

SB Nation, Blue Jays Banter had an article on Cashner this morning.  Here is an excerpt regarding his decreased Ks:

"Baseball Savant has his slider go from 94 wiffs to 31 so it looks like his strikeout pitch wasn't working as well as 2016... except players went from hitting .288 and slugging .500 on it in 2016 vs .242 and .377.  It seems that Cashner is finding effectiveness in his slider by generating soft contact instead of strikeouts.  In 2017 his K rate dropped from 7.64 to 4.64 but he gained a 6 percentage point increase in soft contact rate and a 7.4 percentage point decrease in hard contact.  This is why he only had 41 extra base hits last year and only 704 bases allowed (12 best among qualified starters in 2017).

Another change Cashner made last year was flipping his 4 seamer/2 seamer usage from 40%/25% to 24%/41%. This gave his highest groundball percentage since 2013 and a career high 23 double plays turned behind him." 

[Tony-OH]

40 minutes ago, MatthewW said:

 

Player A makes $500k, while player B now makes $8M...

 

A Ynoa

B Cashner

 

Admittedly, there are a lot more variables then the 4 stats. But I can't find ANY that says that Cashner is going to worth the difference between Ynoa and himself. There is just about a 0% chance he is going to be able to continue putting up anything close to those results last year with those peripherals...

 

Now c'mon now, why would the Orioles want to pay a starting pitcher major league minimum when they can get a veteran for 8 million? I mean that why we've had Gallardo, Miley, and Jimenez in the rotation vs Davies, Bridwell, and Miranda.

[MDtransplant757]

2 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

And if they made a version for the PC I'd try it once it was 40% off on Steam.

Just find a ROM of one game. Probably a Gen 4 or 5 one. 

2 minutes ago, interloper said:

He does love to do that, huh. 

I wonder if some players like it, too, as a little security down the road?

Could be worse

[interloper]

Just now, OFFNY said:

o

 

In my rat's ass of an opinion, we still need one more solid starter ........ hopefully Cobb or Lynn.

I can deal with 4 solid starters and the proverbial "wing-and-a-prayer" for the 5th spot.

2 solid starting pitchers in a 5-man rotation is awful, as we saw last year.

3 solid starting pitchers in a 5-man rotation is still pretty seriously lacking, in terms of expecting to be a bonafide contender.

4 solid starting pitchers in a 5-man rotation is very doable in terms of contending for a playoff berth, even in a tough divisions such as the AL East.

 

o

 

Agree. Roch's latest blog has the following: "One spot is expected to be filled internally." 

I think they'd like to sign or trade for one more guy, and let basically a million guys duke it out for that 5th spot.

[weams]

8 minutes ago, interloper said:

Is it worrying to anyone else that the O's feel the need to defer any part of this contract? I mean it's peanuts. 

I personally feel the Orioles are broke. 

[TradeAngelos]

9 minutes ago, interloper said:

 

 

HAHAHA it just keeps getting better and better!!

[interloper]

Just now, weams said:

I personally feel the Orioles are broke. 

There's something weird going on, seems like. Who can know.