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  1. 1. Which outcome would you prefer?

    • Orioles continue to play sub-.333 baseball and get the no. 1 pick
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    • Orioles play .500 baseball from here and get the 6th overall pick
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A losing season is a losing season.  I'd rather lose 95 or 100 and get the pick, PLUS the added bonus of it spurring the team to really make the necessary changes (getting Davis out of the lineup, moving the pending FAs, etc.).  If they somehow end up losing only 85-90 games or so, then they might rationalize the horrible start to bad luck, etc., and not rip the band-aid off.

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2 hours ago, InsideCoroner said:

Get the 1st pick. Better a bride than a bridesmaid.  Plus I'm worried if they start to play decent ball for the next month, they might get it in their heads that they're only one or two pieces away from a potential postseason shot, and trade away prospects rather than the established veterans for the 2018 version of Scott Feldman or Michael Morse. Please, no.  

There’s no way anybody’s thinking that.   The Orioles are 17.5 games out of the 2nd wild card.    These people may be unrealistically optimistic at times, but that would be lunacy.    Nobody’s that stupid.   

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28 minutes ago, Frobby said:

There’s no way anybody’s thinking that.   The Orioles are 17.5 games out of the 2nd wild card.    These people may be unrealistically optimistic at times, but that would be lunacy.    Nobody’s that stupid.   

O's front office and ownership:  "Hold my beer."

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I don't get it? What's the point of watching the games of there's no chance of them plying well. I want them to always win of course but the main thing is that they play well and give me a good game. Otherwise why watch at all?

 

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33 minutes ago, Frobby said:

There’s no way anybody’s thinking that.   The Orioles are 17.5 games out of the 2nd wild card.    These people may be unrealistically optimistic at times, but that would be lunacy.    Nobody’s that stupid.   

Except OHer's who actually believe the O's FO is.

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This subject has been discussed on numerous occasions before.

 

Like our beloved Weams, I am incapable of rooting against the Orioles under any circumstances whatsoever.

Hypothetically, if it were late in the season and the Orioles were mathematically out of it and were playing the Indians, and a loss would knock the Yankees out of the playoffs, I would root for the Orioles to win the game. I might be happy AFTER THE FACT if the Orioles lost the game and sent the Yankees home packing, but that would be AFTER THE FACT. There is no way in hell that I could ever root against the Orioles, the Colts, the Bullets, Nebraska football, or North Carolina basketball for any reason(s) whatsoever.

 

Like Weams, rooting against any of my favorite teams under any circumstances whatsoever is just not in my DNA.

 

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2 hours ago, weams said:

I have no reason to believe that the Orioles would pick the right guy number one. Six works for me. 

This is not just the Orioles.  Every club has problems picking the right guy.

If you have not done it google "2006 MLB draft".  Then change the year  to 2007, 2008 etc.

It shows just how many 1st round players never make it.  And how many top 5 picks never become All-Stars.

Don't blame just the O's.  Its a crap shoot.

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1 hour ago, Plutarch said:

Would a 500 record for the rest of the year make the FO think that this could be a competitive team next year thus limiting the deals they consummate before the deadlines (Machado and Britton and any other pending FA excluded)?

 I'd rather have the "No Doubt About It" scenario of the dumpster fire

Ownership might think they could be competitive next year if they have .300 record the rest of the way.  

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Give me .500 ball from here on out. That would mean our rotation is pitching better, maybe Mancini, Schoop and Davis are getting back to career norms, and the young players we get for Manny, Britton and Brach are producing. Maybe some of our young outfielders are up and producing......I want to go into the off season thinking this team is on the rebound and might not be 5 years away from competing again. 

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6 hours ago, OFFNY said:

o

 

This subject has been discussed on numerous occasions before.

 

Like our beloved Weams, I am incapable of rooting against the Orioles under any circumstances whatsoever.

Hypothetically, if it were late in the season and the Orioles were mathematically out of it and were playing the Indians, and a loss would knock the Yankees out of the playoffs, I would root for the Orioles to win the game. I might be happy AFTER THE FACT if the Orioles lost the game and sent the Yankees home packing, but that would be AFTER THE FACT. There is no way in hell that I could ever root against the Orioles, the Colts, the Bullets, Nebraska football, or North Carolina basketball for any reason(s) whatsoever.

 

Like Weams, rooting against any of my favorite teams under any circumstances whatsoever is just not in my DNA.

 

o

Are you implying you love this team more that those who favor the other outcome?  I and others want what’s best for the team in the long run. If we had more responsible ownership, I may feel the way you do. Technically, I’ve been a fan longer than you, but that doesn’t make me more of a fan. 

This team is like watching a dying animal and euthanasia is the humane choice. Play the kids. Trade what’s not nailed down and get the #1 pick. 

 

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42 minutes ago, wildcard said:

This is not just the Orioles.  Every club has problems picking the right guy.

If you have not done it google "2006 MLB draft".  Then change the year  to 2007, 2008 etc.

It shows just how many 1st round players never make it.  And how many top 5 picks never become All-Stars.

Don't blame just the O's.  Its a crap shoot.

I did not blame the Orioles. This is not basketball and there is not LeBron James to be had. 

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57 minutes ago, OFFNY said:

o

 

This subject has been discussed on numerous occasions before.

 

Like our beloved Weams, I am incapable of rooting against the Orioles under any circumstances whatsoever.

Hypothetically, if it were late in the season and the Orioles were mathematically out of it and were playing the Indians, and a loss would knock the Yankees out of the playoffs, I would root for the Orioles to win the game. I might be happy AFTER THE FACT if the Orioles lost the game and sent the Yankees home packing, but that would be AFTER THE FACT. There is no way in hell that I could ever root against the Orioles, the Colts, the Bullets, Nebraska football, or North Carolina basketball for any reason(s) whatsoever.

 

Like Weams, rooting against any of my favorite teams under any circumstances whatsoever is just not in my DNA.

 

o

 

 

12 minutes ago, NashLumber said:

 

Are you implying that you love this team more that those who favor the other outcome?  I and others want what’s best for the team in the long run. If we had more responsible ownership, I may feel the way that you do. Technically, I’ve been a fan longer than you, but that doesn’t make me more of a fan. 

This team is like watching a dying animal, and euthanasia is the humane choice. 

 

o

 

I am implying EXACTLY what I wrote.

There are no hidden/covert messages in my sentiments.

I don't care what other Oriole fans think and/or what their rooting philosophy is.

 

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5 hours ago, Frobby said:

I know many people are going to say that if we’re going to stink, we need to really stink as badly as possible to get the best draft pick.    But I don’t know if I can endure a whole season of playing like we’ve played so far.    I know there’s probably some happy medium where we play a little better but still finish last, but putting that to one side, would you prefer that we continue playing sub-.333 baseball and get the top pick, or that we play respectably from here (.500) and end up with the 6th pick or so?     If those are the two choices, which do you choose?

This is the proverbial chose your death question.  Would you rather hang or be shot by firing squad.  Well to be honest I'd rather live.  What we do from here certainly matters and given your choices, Id rather watch us play good baseball.

But 1st, 5th, 7th really does not matter as much as what we do about a rebuild.  It really scares me the we are  likely to start a rebuild with out a defined plan or leader.  We are sort of going for it as it were.  If we keep doing that, we cannot begin to right the ship.

I really would like to see a GM named...and then rebuild.  Starting today.  We won't of course, we will trade assets by committee with some wanting to retool and some wanting rebuild.  The consequences of haphazardly going through this could do lots of damage.

Rebuild or reload, Fire extend or hire.....But doing the same thing and expecting the results to improve is insane.

So my answer is whatever gets us to better baseball the soonest.

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