Who would you not trade?

[wildcard]

Starters

1.  Grayson Rodriguez

2. DL Hall

3. John Means

4.Dean Kremer

5. Michael Baumann

6. Zac Lowther

Relievers

7.  Hunter Harvey

8. Zach Pop

 

Catcher

9. Adley Rutschman

 

Outfielders

10 . Austin Hays

11.  Yusniel Diaz

12.  Anthony Santander

 

Infielders

13. Ryan Mountcastle

14 Gunnar Henderson

 

 

[mdbdotcom]

Everyone available if the return is right. There are no untouchables.

[wildcard]

Just now, mdbdotcom said:

Everyone available if the return is right. There are no untouchables.

Theoretically, I agree.   But in reality that is probably not true.   When there are young core players at the beginning of a rebuild they are rarely if ever traded.

[mdbdotcom]

Prospects are potential core players. Until they prove themselves in the major leagues they are not core players. But even core players can be traded if the return justifies the trade. The Rays traded several of their core players for young, mostly unheard of players before the 2018 season and everyone assumed they were tanking. Instead of tanking, they won 90 games. 

Any team that decides preemptively that it won't trade any of its best players is cutting themselves off from one avenue to new talent and success. That's just as bad a policy as the O's not signing international players. A team has to keep all options available.

[Roll Tide]

I wouldn't look to trade any of the guys on your list. That said anyone is available on the right price. 

[Bahama O's Fan]

Chris Davis. But seriously no one is untouchable. 

[DrungoHazewood]

If they trade Yeltsin Gudino I am so out of here.

[wildcard]

2 hours ago, mdbdotcom said:

Prospects are potential core players. Until they prove themselves in the major leagues they are not core players. But even core players can be traded if the return justifies the trade. The Rays traded several of their core players for young, mostly unheard of players before the 2018 season and everyone assumed they were tanking. Instead of tanking, they won 90 games. 

Any team that decides preemptively that it won't trade any of its best players is cutting themselves off from one avenue to new talent and success. That's just as bad a policy as the O's not signing international players. A team has to keep all options available.

I'll bet that none of the players I listed are traded by the O's this off season.

[Moose Milligan]

No ones untouchable, I agree.  And I think @wildcard didn't miss anyone on that list he compiled in the OP.  

As much as I like him, I'd be curious to see what the return for Means would be.

[Can_of_corn]

1 minute ago, Moose Milligan said:

No ones untouchable, I agree.  And I think @wildcard didn't miss anyone on that list he compiled in the OP.  

As much as I like him, I'd be curious to see what the return for Means would be.

Probably someone who, if we are lucky, turns into 2019 Means.

[interloper]

8 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

Probably someone who, if we are lucky, turns into 2019 Means.

Yeah, that's the thing. 

Agree.

[mdbdotcom]

1 hour ago, wildcard said:

I'll bet that none of the players I listed are traded by the O's this off season.

So what? I don't think any of them will be, either, but that doesn't mean they should be untouchable.

[DirtyBird]

Breaking News: Team in rebuild won't trade top prospects.

[weams]

5 hours ago, wildcard said:

Starters

1.  Grayson Rodriguez

2. DL Hall

 

5. Michael Baumann

 

 

Catcher

9. Adley Rutschman

 

Outfielders

 

 

Infielders

13. Ryan Mountcastle

 

 

 

These guys, 

[LookinUp]

@wildcard Practically/realistically, I'm not selling a lot of guys, but your list is essentially backwards, IMO. 

If you trade, you want to get rid of guys whose value is higher than you expect their future value to this franchise to be and for whom you think you can get great value in return. Means *might* be a great example. I'm guessing Mancini and Mountcastle are not great examples, because despite their performances this year, their position value really limits what we can likely get back.

You keep guys whose value is not what you expect it should be. Givens is that guy, IMO. Castro too. I understand trading either of them, but only if we've given up on their FV. In that case, go ahead and jettison them, but don't expect to get much back. 

If you want to get franchise changing guys in return, you look at the list you made and see where you think you can get a great deal based on your confidential assessments of those players, which likely indicates some are over rated.