Pitching Rotation Ranking Query

[LookinUp]

15 hours ago, wildcard said:

I don't know why you would think that Armstrong would be considered for the rotation.   Armstrong has been in 108 MLB games.  All in relief.  He has been in 302 minor league games.  Only one as a starter.   

So you're saying there's a chance?

10 hours ago, NCRaven said:

Zimmerman will get a shot at some point.

Yes. Part of the "depth" is Akin, Kremer, Lowther, Zimmerman, Wells and likely Baumann (who has the best chance to stick, so may be moved the slowest). Not sure who from that group is a bona fide major leaguer, an opener or an actual worthy starter, but if you told me that by the end of this season, our rotation includes Means, Lowther and Baumann, I wouldn't be shocked or too disappointed.

[HowAboutThat]

11 hours ago, hoosiers said:

 

Give Hess 5-10 starts, if he pitches well and appears to have absorbed some lessons from development this offseason, then great. 

He already got lots of starts. He was terrible. It got so bad I was mentally wondering how quickly he would give up a home run when he came into a game. Was never very long.

I agree completely that a guy should get a chance, maybe a long chance, but Hess has had his and failed and lots of other guys should now get a chance.

[Can_of_corn]

2 minutes ago, Philip said:

He already got lots of starts. He was terrible. It got so bad I was mentally wondering how quickly he would give up a home run when he came into a game. Was never very long.

I agree completely that a guy should get a chance, maybe a long chance, but Hess has had his and failed and lots of other guys should now get a chance.

I guess you didn't watch any games in September? 

[Frobby]

13 minutes ago, Philip said:

He already got lots of starts. He was terrible. It got so bad I was mentally wondering how quickly he would give up a home run when he came into a game. Was never very long.

I agree completely that a guy should get a chance, maybe a long chance, but Hess has had his and failed and lots of other guys should now get a chance.

I wouldn’t give up on Hess despite his struggles.   He pitched pretty decently in the second half of 2018, he had that one no-hit outing at the beginning of 2019, and he spent the winter following a program set out for him by the same group that worked with John Means last winter.    I’m not optimistic he’ll have made major improvements, but let’s give him a chance this spring to show he has.   

[hoosiers]

1 hour ago, Philip said:

Davis is a unique situation. He can’t be used as a comparison for anything.

Disagree.  Davis could be moved into a back-up role and see playing time severely reduced like you suggest with Hess.  I think that could happen very soon if we are going to keep Mancini (or play Mountcastle at 1B) and some of the younger guys start to hit.

[hoosiers]

27 minutes ago, Philip said:

He already got lots of starts. He was terrible. It got so bad I was mentally wondering how quickly he would give up a home run when he came into a game. Was never very long.

I agree completely that a guy should get a chance, maybe a long chance, but Hess has had his and failed and lots of other guys should now get a chance.

Let's remember that Hess has spent the winter at the same training/conditioning program that helped John Means find several MPH on his fastball and is hoping, like us, that the same magic formula can find some MPH in Hess' tank. 

Let's see how Hess does in ST and let him start the season facing major league batters - perhaps in the rotation or in a long relief role with potential to get Hess back into the rotation. 

As posted earlier, our team is designed to be among the worst in baseball and in that vein it would seem fitting to give Hess several starts to show improvement or to lose us games.  

[HowAboutThat]

6 minutes ago, hoosiers said:

Disagree.  Davis could be moved into a back-up role and see playing time severely reduced like you suggest with Hess.  I think that could happen very soon if we are going to keep Mancini (or play Mountcastle at 1B) and some of the younger guys start to hit.

Davis is not on the roster because of his ability, performance or potential.

Whatever the Reason for keeping Hess around, it has nothing to do with the reasons for keeping Davis.

[HowAboutThat]

2 minutes ago, hoosiers said:

Let's remember that Hess has spent the winter at the same training/conditioning program that helped John Means find several MPH on his fastball and is hoping, like us, that the same magic formula can find some MPH in Hess' tank. 

Let's see how Hess does in ST and let him start the season facing major league batters - perhaps in the rotation or in a long relief role with potential to get Hess back into the rotation. 

As posted earlier, our team is designed to be among the worst in baseball and in that vein it would seem fitting to give Hess several starts to show improvement or to lose us games.  

Our comments crossed.

Hess can show the status of his offseason improvement during ST, and if he earns a spot, good for him. I will be very happy if he has improved enough to do so. But at the moment other guys would be better choices. We can see how it shakes out.

[hoosiers]

Just now, Philip said:

Our comments crossed.

Hess can show the status of his offseason improvement during ST, and if he earns a spot, good for him. I will be very happy if he has improved enough to do so. But at the moment other guys would be better choices. We can see how it shakes out.

I am not saying there aren't better choices.  I am saying this is a season where better choices may not get chosen first.

[wildcard]

From what I have read,  Means  works out at the facility for several days each week.   I read that Hess got his program from the same facility and took it home to work out.   That seems like a different level of commitment.  I hope it help Hess but my expectation is low that he will make the kind of jump in performance that Means did.

The only reason the Hess comes to camp with a shot at the rotation is that the rotation is weak.   Otherwise I think they would be converting him to a reliever from day one.

I still expect Elias to add a starter.   

[Frobby]

12 minutes ago, wildcard said:

From what I have read,  Means  works out at the facility for several days each week.   I read that Hess got his program from the same facility and took it home to work out.   That seems like a different level of commitment.  I hope it help Hess but my expectation is low that he will make the kind of jump in performance that Means did.

The only reason the Hess comes to camp with a shot at the rotation is that the rotation is weak.   Otherwise I think they would be converting him to a reliever from day one.

I still expect Elias to add a starter.   

Roch thinks so, too.   

“While the media keeps making predictions on the rotation, the guesswork aimed at the back end of it, the club has been negotiating with representatives for starting pitchers who remain on the market.

“I’m hearing that the Orioles are discussing major league deals and minor league contracts that would include invitations to spring training.”

https://www.masnsports.com/school-of-roch/2020/01/orioles-remain-interested-in-starting-pitchers-and-infielders.html

 

[Just Regular]

Chacin, Walker, Vargas, Richard, Buchholz, McHugh, Cashner the top 7 on Fangraphs's board and the last projected for 0.5 WAR or more.  Except 27-year old Taijuan, everyone is 32 and up.

Walker, McHugh, Gennett and Flores might threaten April watchability.

[UpstateNYfan]

4 hours ago, weams said:

I’ll let you know what it looks like in 22 days!

Better yet, let me know what it looks like in 65 days!!

[hoosiers]

 

3 hours ago, Philip said:

Davis is not on the roster because of his ability, performance or potential.

Whatever the Reason for keeping Hess around, it has nothing to do with the reasons for keeping Davis.

Davis is on the roster because he has a LTC and we have no better internal options at 1B.  The hope last year was that Davis would perform better and he did in spurts but was poor overall.  Our front office is not looking to replace him with a free agent.

As soon as a better internal, prospect option at 1B becomes available, I would expect to see Davis' plate appearances decline significantly.  

[Can_of_corn]

5 minutes ago, hoosiers said:

 

Davis is on the roster because he has a LTC and we have no better internal options at 1B.  The hope last year was that Davis would perform better and he did in spurts but was poor overall.  Our front office is not looking to replace him with a free agent.

As soon as a better internal, prospect option at 1B becomes available, I would expect to see Davis' plate appearances decline significantly.  

Pretty sure they do.