Sulser Fails at Save attempt, O's lose 8-6 after rain

[Tony-OH]

27 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

Sure it's frustrating but what's the point of complaining about it in a thread?

I think the point you may be missing is that this is a discussion about the ump and electronic strike zone implementation, not just pure complaining. 

The calls that guy missed last night potentially had an impact on the game. He missed big calls that changed the complexion of key at bats. Obviously Judge may get a different pitch at 2-2 then 3-1, particularly when Sulser was already having control problems.

Obviously Judge might know that curve was coming and done the same thing, and Sulser doesn't get a pass for his absolutely terrible outing where he fell behind every single hitter he faced and or got hit hard. 

Hays was called out twice on pitches that were at his shins. I don't think the umpire was biased, I just think he was terrible. 

If/When the Orioles are good again at some point in the future, I think I'd rather have some kind of system that allows managers to challenge poor calls behind the plate just like they can on the bases, with the difference being they don't need to go to video proof, just to the electronic strike zone for the correct call.

[OFFNY]

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Regarding last night's game, I believe that both angles are true ........

 

A) l Yes, the Orioles probably got jobbed on the 2-1 pitch to Judge, and perhaps Suiser would have thrown a different pitch if the count were 2-2 instead of 3-1, and maybe Judge does not hit the home run ........ MAYBE.

 

B) l That said, bad calls are a part of the game, and teams and their players need to roll with the punches ........ and Suiser and the Orioles definitely DID NOT do that last night.

 

The latter assertion is definitely more pertinent and more important than the former.

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[wildcard]

1 minute ago, OFFNY said:

o

 

Regarding last night's game, I believe that both angles are true ........

 

A) l Yes, the Orioles probably got jobbed on the 2-1 pitch to Judge, and perhaps Suiser would have thrown a different pitch if the count were 2-2 instead of 3-1, and maybe Judge does not hit the home run ........ MAYBE.

 

B) l That said, bad calls are a part of the game, and teams and their players need to roll with the punches ........ and Suiser and the Orioles definitely DID NOT do that last night.

 

The latter assertion is definitely more pertinent and more important the former.

 

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Still the O's were one pitch away from beating the Yankees and going  3-2  tied with the Yanks.  That one missed call cost the O's a lot of momentum for a young team in a short season.  Mometum that could carry the O's to a better season.  Umpires should not be game changers.  But last night that guy was.

[Tony-OH]

56 minutes ago, wildcard said:

Still the O's were one pitch away from beating the Yankees and going  3-2  tied with the Yanks.  That one missed call cost the O's a lot of momentum for a young team in a short season.  Mometum that could carry the O's to a better season.  Umpires should not be game changers.  But last night that guy was.

I'm not sure I buy that at all. This team doesn't have the talent to sustain "momentum" and in baseball, where you have another game every night, I don't really buy into momentum from win or loss.

[canonfaz]

1 hour ago, Tony-OH said:

If/When the Orioles are good again at some point in the future, I think I'd rather have some kind of system that allows managers to challenge poor calls behind the plate just like they can on the bases, with the difference being they don't need to go to video proof, just to the electronic strike zone for the correct call.

I really like this idea. It would add another dimension to at bats. Maybe give a manager 1 ball/strike challenge per inning to start out with. If the call is overturned, you keep the challenge, if not, that's it for the inning.

[wildcard]

31 minutes ago, Tony-OH said:

I'm not sure I buy that at all. This team doesn't have the talent to sustain "momentum" and in baseball, where you have another game every night, I don't really buy into momentum from win or loss.

I believe differently.   I think momentum can give a team a different perspective and  lift a team. A team that believes in itself is dangerous.

As far as the talent on this team,  I am not sure exactly what the upside is with this team.  Alberto so far is turning into a hit machine hit both righties and lefties.  That would be improvement.  Iglesias is embracing a leadership role on the team and hitting as well as playing good defense (when healthy).  Ruiz is showing power vs lefties and righties.  Santander looks good in right field even challenging walls now.  The up the middle defense seems much improved with Hays in center.    I see three starters that could pitch well in Means, Cobb and LeBlanc.  And there are several relievers that could be improved if handled properly..  Mountcastle as another bat in the lineup could add punch.    16 team playoff structure could benefit a team that gets on a roll.

Its way early and a lot of things have  to fall right for the O's to do well.  But that is what momentum is all about.   No one knew in 2012 that the O's were going to turn things around.  Who was Miguel Gonzalez at that point?   We didn't know that Manny was going to be promoted and have a big impact.  If things go right it can turn around quickly.  

I am not saying it will. Just that I don't give up a team that shows the effort and is young like this team is right now.

 

[Can_of_corn]

1 minute ago, wildcard said:

I believe differently.   I think momentum can give a team a different perspective and  lift a team. A team that believes in itself is dangerous.

 

I agree with Earl.

[Ruzious]

1 hour ago, Tony-OH said:

The more I watch the way the game is going and how bad the home plate umpires are now, I agree with this 100%. Why not give it a shot for maybe one game of a series or for one or two series per team? 

I used to be against it, but honestly, watching that knucklehead consistently miss pitches and be inconsistent within his own zone last night kinda was the last straw for me to be a convert. Either that or allow umpires back there but allow managers to challenge a couple of pitches a night with immediate computer response to whether it was a ball or strike.

Honestly, base umpires are just for show now anyways since their calls can be challenged.

Yup, what Morgan said is exactly what I was going to say.  For multiple reasons, they should have used this as the opportunity to have balls and strikes automated.  

[Can_of_corn]

1 minute ago, Ruzious said:

Yup, what Morgan said is exactly what I was going to say.  For multiple reasons, they should have used this as the opportunity to have balls and strikes automated.  

I would have loved to see it.

You could spin it as being for the safety of all the morbidly obese umps out there.

[Tony-OH]

5 minutes ago, wildcard said:

I believe differently.   I think momentum can give a team a different perspective and  lift a team. A team that believes in itself is dangerous.

As far as the talent on this team,  I am not sure exactly what the upside is with this team.  Alberto so far is turning into a hit machine hit both righties and lefties.  That would be improvement.  Iglesias is embracing a leadership role on the team and hitting as well as playing good defense (when healthy).  Ruiz is showing power vs lefties and righties.  Santander looks good in right field even challenging walls now.  The up the middle defense seems much improved with Hays in center.    I see three starters that could pitch well in Means, Cobb and LeBlanc.  And there are several relievers that could be improved if handled properly..  Mountcastle as another bat in the lineup could add punch.    16 team playoff structure could benefit a team that gets on a roll.

Its way early and a lot of things have  to fall right for the O's to do well.  But that is what momentum is all about.   No one knew in 2012 that the O's were going to turn things around.  Who was Miguel Gonzalez at that point?   We didn't know that Manny was going to be promoted and have a big impact.  If things go right it can turn around quickly.  

I am not saying it will. Just that I don't give up a team that shows the effort and is young like this team is right now.

 

One game has never really meant anything to any team. How many times have we seen a team with a  great comeback one night get destroyed the next and vice versa.  I'm not saying a team that wins or loses a bunch of games in a row aren't affected with confidence  or lack thereof, but I don't think a win last night was going to suddenly change the course of the season for this team. 

This team is going to struggle to win 20 games this season most likely and no one win or loss is going to change that.

[wildcard]

17 minutes ago, Tony-OH said:

One game has never really meant anything to any team. How many times have we seen a team with a  great comeback one night get destroyed the next and vice versa.  I'm not saying a team that wins or loses a bunch of games in a row aren't affected with confidence  or lack thereof, but I don't think a win last night was going to suddenly change the course of the season for this team. 

This team is going to struggle to win 20 games this season most likely and no one win or loss is going to change that.

Or it could ro that way.

[SteveA]

18 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

I would have loved to see it.

You could spin it as being for the safety of all the morbidly obese umps out there.

Joe West took a flying bat to the other night, had to leave the game.

[SteveA]

19 minutes ago, Tony-OH said:

One game has never really meant anything to any team. How many times have we seen a team with a  great comeback one night get destroyed the next and vice versa.  I'm not saying a team that wins or loses a bunch of games in a row aren't affected with confidence  or lack thereof, but I don't think a win last night was going to suddenly change the course of the season for this team. 

This team is going to struggle to win 20 games this season most likely and no one win or loss is going to change that.

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[Ruzious]

26 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

I would have loved to see it.

You could spin it as being for the safety of all the morbidly obese umps out there.

I call it a reason - and a good one, at that.  Spin, otoh, is what Lowther has on his changeup - which the Orioles front office won't let us see.       

[OFFNY]

13 minutes ago, SteveA said:

 

Joe West took a flying bat to the other night, had to leave the game.

 

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