Where do Adley and Gunnar start the season in 2021?

[OriolesMagic83]

19 hours ago, Sports Guy said:

Yes but the note from the article that Frobby pointed out was Henderson talking about Adley and the comment was made that he was impossible to get out..OriolesMagic noted that was good to hear since he sucked last year.

Sucked is a bit harsh, but he really struggled at the plate in his minor league debut.  Let's let him have some minor league success before he makes it to the majors.  I believe Elias will be much more patient with his promotion than most O's fans.  I will be surprised to see him in Baltimore before next September. 

[Can_of_corn]

4 minutes ago, OriolesMagic83 said:

Sucked is a bit harsh, but he really struggled at the plate in his minor league debut.  Let's let him have some minor league success before he makes it to the majors.  I believe Elias will be much more patient with his promotion than most O's fans.  I will be surprised to see him in Baltimore before next September. 

I think we all need to remember that he was dealing with weather in Florida, being shuffled from affiliate to affiliate and was recovering from Mono.

[Sports Guy]

19 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

I think we all need to remember that he was dealing with weather in Florida, being shuffled from affiliate to affiliate and was recovering from Mono.

I hate the mono excuse.  He was much better early on than when he moved to Delmarva.  If he was recovering from mono, wouldn’t the struggles have been worse early on?

[Can_of_corn]

3 minutes ago, Sports Guy said:

I hate the mono excuse.  He was much better early on than when he moved to Delmarva.  If he was recovering from mono, wouldn’t the struggles have been worse early on?

Never had it so can't comment on what recovery is like.  I listed it as one of a number of factors, to which small sample size could be added. 

I think that whatever he did in Bowie, and college, should hold a lot more weight.

[Sports Guy]

12 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

Never had it so can't comment on what recovery is like.  I listed it as one of a number of factors, to which small sample size could be added. 

I think that whatever he did in Bowie, and college, should hold a lot more weight.

I’m fine with all of this.  I’m just saying I hate it when people bring that up as why he didn’t hit in Delmarva.

He just didn’t perform well but it was a SSS.

[Can_of_corn]

1 minute ago, Sports Guy said:

I’m fine with all of this.  I’m just saying I hate it when people bring that up as why he didn’t hit in Delmarva.

He just didn’t perform well but it was a SSS.

/shrug.  I've heard mono can have a long recovery period that varies with the individual.  It seems realistic to me that it still could have been having an impact on his performance.

[Sports Guy]

6 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

/shrug.  I've heard mono can have a long recovery period that varies with the individual.  It seems realistic to me that it still could have been having an impact on his performance.

Ok but then why didn’t it impact him in Aberdeen?  He had an OPS just under 900 in 77 at bats, easily the most at bats at any stop last year.

Now, I guess you could argue that it did effect him because even an 894 OPS at Aberdeen seems light but still, that’s a far better performance than Delmarva.

Bur again, the sample sizes are small, so you can’t really take anything away from them.  

[Can_of_corn]

1 minute ago, Sports Guy said:

Ok but then why didn’t it impact him in Aberdeen?

Like I said never had it.

Maybe the talent gap at Aberdeen was too great?

Maybe the stress of moving around caused a bit of a relapse?

Maybe he over did things a bit?

[Frobby]

4 hours ago, wildcard said:

Why?  Looking at the way Elias has handled Mountcastle and now Diaz. A late season promotion in 2021 for a highly rated position player seems unlikely to me.   If the team is in contention in August then maybe they would do what happened to Manny but failing a surprise playoff year  I don't expect to see AR in 2021 at the major league level.

1.   I agree that Rutschman is unlikely to get called up in 2021.   Like you, I do not expect it.    What I said was that I wouldn’t rule it out.   

2.   If we buy into even half the hype, Rutschman > Mountcastle + Diaz combined.   He has to prove that on the field.  If he does that in a very clear way next year, I could see him getting called up.   Not likely, but possible.   

3.   I have zero problem with how the O’s handled Mountcastle or Diaz, and I doubt I’ll have a problem with how they handle Rutschman.   But I’d love to see him truly dominate and make it very hard for them to justify keeping him down.    In my opinion, Diaz really hasn’t made that strong a case, and though Mountcastle did make the case with his bat, there were enough holes in his game (plate discipline and defense) to make a plausible case for polishing him up a bit before calling him up.   Did service time also play a role?   I’ll say probably yes, but I don’t think his case for an earlier call-up was irrefutable.   I’d like to see Rutschman make that case.   

[NCRaven]

35 minutes ago, Sports Guy said:

Ok but then why didn’t it impact him in Aberdeen?  

Maybe because the level of talent in the New York Penn League was so low that even a player of his caliber recovering from being sick could still dominate.  Maybe the number of at bats at both stops were so small that they have no predictive power whatsoever.  Maybe because the only goal for last year was to acclimate him to pro ball and the stats were irrelevant.  Maybe it doesn't matter at all and some are making something out of nothing.  Maybe.

[Sports Guy]

12 minutes ago, NCRaven said:

Maybe because the level of talent in the New York Penn League was so low that even a player of his caliber recovering from being sick could still dominate.  Maybe the number of at bats at both stops were so small that they have no predictive power whatsoever.  Maybe because the only goal for last year was to acclimate him to pro ball and the stats were irrelevant.  Maybe it doesn't matter at all and some are making something out of nothing.  Maybe.

A lot of things I don’t buy as good excuses.

First of all, I have said several times that the sample size makes this almost meaningless.

second of all, the first thing you said is right..talent level.  It was just harder in Delmarva except he should have easily been able to overcome that.  Again, sample size is so small that whatever but if he went down there and OPs’ed 1200, people wouldn’t be talking about mono or anything else.  The hype machine would be greater.  Instead, he struggled and people make excuses.

I hate the acclimation argument too because plenty of guys play minor league ball right after being drafted and are fine.  We even saw at least one player playing in October after being drafted in June this year.  He is an advanced college player.  Acclimation should be there.

I do agree that it likely doesn’t matter at all but that doesn’t mean people aren’t allowed to discuss it.

[Can_of_corn]

Just now, Sports Guy said:

A lot of things I don’t buy as good excuses.

First of all, I have said several times that the sample size makes this almost meaningless.

second of all, the first thing you said is right..talent level.  It was just harder in Delmarva except he should have easily been able to overcome that.  Again, sample size is so small that whatever but if he went down there and OPs’ed 1200, people wouldn’t be talking about mono or anything else.  The hype machine would be greater.  Instead, he struggled and people make excuses.

I hate the acclimation argument too because plenty of guys play minor league ball right after being drafted and are fine.  We even saw at least one player playing in October after being drafted in June this year.  He is an advanced college player.  Acclimation should be there.

I do agree that it likely doesn’t matter at all but that doesn’t mean people aren’t allowed to discuss it.

Three different levels?  Three different cities?  Three different set of pitchers?  Three different sets of coaches?  In such an abbreviated period of time?

I can see it wearing a player down.

[NCRaven]

5 minutes ago, Sports Guy said:

...but if he went down there and OPs’ed 1200, people wouldn’t be talking about mono or anything else.  The hype machine would be greater.  Instead, he struggled and people make excuses.

And those people would be wrong, too.  I just don't think that anything anybody does in that small number of at bats at those levels means anything at all, whether it was good or bad.

[Sports Guy]

1 minute ago, Can_of_corn said:

Three different levels?  Three different cities?  Three different set of pitchers?  Three different sets of coaches?  In such an abbreviated period of time?

I can see it wearing a player down.

I think this is a bit of a stretch.  I think it’s searching for excuses.  Why can’t it simply be he struggled in a very SSS against the best competition he has ever faced and leave it at that?

 

[Sports Guy]

Just now, NCRaven said:

And those people would be wrong, too.  I just don't think that anything anybody does in that small number of at bats at those levels means anything at all, whether it was good or bad.

Ultimately, I don’t disagree with this.  Just enough of the excuses, that’s all I’m saying.