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24 minutes ago, wildcard said:

O's management are really  high on Bradish, another former Angels farmhand.

I liked the remark that Stallings was considered maybe just a tick behind Bradish.   

But I’m not gonna lie, I kind of hate this trade.    Iglesias was good value for the money, and a steadying veteran presence.   I feel like we are really tanking the 2021 season now.    Honestly I’m kind of surprised they tendered Mancini a contract, given his salary and the uncertainty about how well he’ll bounce back.  

I don’t see this as a pure salary dump by any means.   If they didn’t want Iglesias’ option year they could have declined it.    I don’t think Elias makes this move unless he thinks Stallings and Pinto are good prospects.    And I trust his judgment on that score.   But it’s going to be 3-5 years before these guys are ready for the majors, and now we’ve gone from having a decent SS to being terrible at that spot.    That’s hard for me to take even if there’s a rational basis for it.  

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I am perfectly fine with this move. Iglesias didn’t play much last year (health) and I have no idea what to think of the bat, which came out of nowhere. He’s a career low value guy who impressed in sm

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Put me in the camp of: 1. I don't care what Elias' motivation was, because it's Iglesias. 2. Covid aside, I have zero faith that Iglesias will play a massively valuable 150 games for anyone

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Couple thoughts:  - this is a Houston Astros style rebuild in that any current asset that does not project to be on our next competitive team will be traded for any asset that might.  - this

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I liked the remark that Stallings was considered maybe just a tick behind Bradish.   

But I’m not gonna lie, I kind of hate this trade.    Iglesias was good value for the money, and a steadying veteran presence.   I feel like we are really tanking the 2021 season now.    Honestly I’m kind of surprised they tendered Mancini a contract, given his salary and the uncertainty about how well he’ll bounce back.  

I don’t see this as a pure salary dump by any means.   If they didn’t want Iglesias’ option year they could have declined it.    I don’t think Elias makes this move unless he thinks Stallings and Pinto are good prospects.    And I trust his judgment on that score.   But it’s going to be 3-5 years before these guys are ready for the majors, and now we’ve gone from having a decent SS to being terrible at that spot.    That’s hard for me to take even if there’s a rational basis for it.  

Picking up Iglesias' option kind of puts him "in our pocket." Makes him a more stable trade. If you get my drift.

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1 minute ago, Frobby said:

 Honestly I’m kind of surprised they tendered Mancini a contract, given his salary and the uncertainty about how well he’ll bounce back. 

A good baseball executive understands the difference between annoyed fans, and fans assembled outside Eutaw Street with torches and ptichforks.

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Looks like Elias plans to tank for another year. I was really hoping for a transition year where the young pitchers get a good defense behind them and they see how things go. They do not have an adequate everyday SS for the major leagues now.

Elias must have really liked the Angels 2019 draft because that's their third draft pick they've acquired from the draft. 

Pinto is a 5-11 right-handed pitcher. Unless he's the next Pedro Martinez, I'm not too thrilled with 5-11 right-handers generally.

Pretty clear Elias feels no pressure for his major league team to win at all. 

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3 minutes ago, Tony-OH said:

Looks like Elias plans to tank for another year. I was really hoping for a transition year where the young pitchers get a good defense behind them and they see how things go. They do not have an adequate everyday SS for the major leagues now.

Obviously it depends on the return, but my first initial reaction is Elias must have no issues with bottoming out this organization for at least one more year at the major league level.

That’s my take too.   But, let’s see what else he does this winter.  

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Looks like Elias plans to tank for another year. I was really hoping for a transition year where the young pitchers get a good defense behind them and they see how things go. They do not have an adequate everyday SS for the major leagues now.

Obviously it depends on the return, but my first initial reaction is Elias must have no issues with bottoming out this organization for at least one more year at the major league level.

I wouldn't say that.

The pitching alone is improving every year.

OF = Santander/Hays/Mullins/Shaw

IF/DH = Mancini/Mountcastle/Valaika/Sanchez/Bannon/Urias

This team could win 85 games in a full season

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1 hour ago, wildcard said:

My guess is the Sanchez has more range at SS than Iglesias.   Jose's range has been slipping the last 2 seasons.  He has amazing hands but  I think Sanchez will be fine at SS.

Why do you think Sanchez has played just 98.2 innings at SS over his 657 games if he has so much ability to play the position? I really doubt he's better defensively then Iglesias. 

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2 minutes ago, Tony-OH said:

Why do you think Sanchez has played just 98.2 innings at SS over his 657 games if he has so much ability to play the position? I really doubt he's better defensively then Iglesias. 

I have a feeling we will sign another SS.    But I have no idea who’s out there in the low price range.   

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9 minutes ago, Moose Milligan said:

Not with this pitching.  It's improving but it's still far from good enough to win 85 games.  

I figure the offense is good for another 1.5 runs/game with Mancini and Santander healthy, and Valaika playing every day.

I don't think it's a stretch to think Mountcastle, Macini, Santander, Valaika could hit 25+

And I figure there's some improvement in the starters that comes in year 2.

I may have picked a bad day to quit huffing glue... but I thinks there's a team in there.

 

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