Jose Iglesias traded to Angels.

[oriole]

2 hours ago, orioles22 said:

This kind of trade makes me wonder if it's time to give up on baseball. Baseball has major problems with such a disparity in payrolls. It's very discouraging that we can't keep a player with a very modest salary in baseball terms.

It’s just what happens during a rebuild

[Frobby]

11 hours ago, joelala said:

https://www.masnsports.com/school-of-roch/2020/12/iglesias-baltimore-was-special-for-me.html?fbclid=IwAR11KZvra2Wak7K5eaG66_9QAFDNSU0KEjrrXNGfe_VaIp7htEIEfZIyvZA
 

Interview with Jose post-trade. A good reminder that these guys are human, and moreover, an encouraging sign that he says he absolutely loved the atmosphere and culture Hyde et. al have created in the clubhouse. 
 

Best of luck to Jose! Seems like a cool dude. 

He’s a class act.   I hope he kicks ass for the Angels.  

[Sports Guy]

11 hours ago, joelala said:

https://www.masnsports.com/school-of-roch/2020/12/iglesias-baltimore-was-special-for-me.html?fbclid=IwAR11KZvra2Wak7K5eaG66_9QAFDNSU0KEjrrXNGfe_VaIp7htEIEfZIyvZA
 

Interview with Jose post-trade. A good reminder that these guys are human, and moreover, an encouraging sign that he says he absolutely loved the atmosphere and culture Hyde et. al have created in the clubhouse. 
 

Best of luck to Jose! Seems like a cool dude. 

I hope Hyde gets this team winning soon so they don’t fire him.  I think he has a lot of managerial talent.

[Ruzious]

12 hours ago, Sports Guy said:

I hope Hyde gets this team winning soon so they don’t fire him.  I think he has a lot of managerial talent.

Winning?  After they decided that 3.5 million was too much to keep Iglesias?  Either that, or they were afraid Iglesias was going to help them win too many games.  Or both.  Cue to Dr. McCoy:  "Dammit Jim, I'm a manager; not the world's greatest magician!".   

[Sports Guy]

5 minutes ago, Ruzious said:

Winning?  After they decided that 3.5 million was too much to keep Iglesias?  Either that, or they were afraid Iglesias was going to help them win too many games.  Or both.  Cue to Dr. McCoy:  "Dammit Jim, I'm a manager; not the world's greatest magician!".   

I think they decided that Iglesias isn’t really that good and that they can get a similar player for less money and bring talent into the system.  This trade was fine from a pure baseball perspective.

However, as you eluded to, the idea that money is an issue here and that ownership basically forced this decision is what is sad.

[jerios55]

12 hours ago, Sports Guy said:

I hope Hyde gets this team winning soon so they don’t fire him.  I think he has a lot of managerial talent.

He is in position to try things out and learn with little to no pressure.  It's not a bad way to start your coaching career.  Whether here or elsewhere people will know not to judge him on his record. 

Knowing he hasn't been given much to work with and intended tank, they better be judging him based on implementing "the plan" vs pretty much anything else.

[Sports Guy]

1 minute ago, jerios55 said:

He is in position to try things out and learn with little to no pressure.  It's not a bad way to start your coaching career.  Whether here or elsewhere people will know not to judge him on his record. 

Knowing he hasn't been given much to work with and intended tank, they better be judging him based on implementing "the plan" vs pretty much anything else.

You would hope.  Current ownership is getting everything they need to out of Hyde and Elias.  

[jerios55]

1 minute ago, Sports Guy said:

You would hope.  Current ownership is getting everything they need to out of Hyde and Elias.  

Cheap everything, while maintaining a good attitude? 

Honestly, Hyde maintaining the positive attitude alone is a magnificent accomplishment. 

[Frobby]

12 hours ago, Sports Guy said:

I think they decided that Iglesias isn’t really that good and that they can get a similar player for less money and bring talent into the system.  This trade was fine from a pure baseball perspective.

However, as you eluded to, the idea that money is an issue here and that ownership basically forced this decision is what is sad.

I think they decided adding to their stable of minor league pitchers was more important than having Iglesias.   Simple as that.   Elias is bringing in a ton of prospects and hoping that some develop well.   The more there are, the better the chances.   

[Sports Guy]

1 minute ago, Frobby said:

I think they decided adding to their stable of minor league pitchers was more important than having Iglesias.   Simple as that.   Elias is bringing in a ton of prospects and hoping that some develop well.   The more there are, the better the chances.   

I think Elias decided that.

 

But I think ownership said cut more costs somewhere.

[LookinUp]

52 minutes ago, Frobby said:

I think they decided adding to their stable of minor league pitchers was more important than having Iglesias.   Simple as that.   Elias is bringing in a ton of prospects and hoping that some develop well.   The more there are, the better the chances.   

Bottom line of both Iglesias and Rule V. More pitching in hopes that some develop.

[sportsfan8703]

It’s been pretty much draft hitting and then acquire pitching that has a track record. Building the depth. 

[Sports Guy]

7 hours ago, LookinUp said:

Bottom line of both Iglesias and Rule V. More pitching in hopes that some develop.

Except it’s not more pitching in terms of the rule 5.  We lost 2 and gained 2 and what we lost has higher upside than what we gained.

[LookinUp]

2 hours ago, Sports Guy said:

Except it’s not more pitching in terms of the rule 5.  We lost 2 and gained 2 and what we lost has higher upside than what we gained.

You're really digging in on the "Pop's middle relief to potential late inning arm is higher upside than two guys who have a chance to be starters and whose stuff would most likely play up if moved to the bullpen" point aren't you?

[Sports Guy]

13 minutes ago, LookinUp said:

You're really digging in on the "Pop's middle relief to potential late inning arm is higher upside than two guys who have a chance to be starters and whose stuff would most likely play up if moved to the bullpen" point aren't you?

Well first of all, I don’t buy into either of these guys being able to be starters for the long term, especially Ben’s nephew.  Maybe Wells could but I think it’s unlikely.  
 

So, my evaluation of all of these guys is that they will be relievers and Pop has the best stuff and most upside of the group.  Plus, he’s a few years younger.