Adley Rutschman 2021

[orioles22]

Down to .287 after an 0-4 tonight. I expect to see him at Norfolk in July, and I think he's having a good season overall but I wouldn't mind an average over .300 for such a huge prospect.

[Can_of_corn]

45 minutes ago, orioles22 said:

Down to .287 after an 0-4 tonight. I expect to see him at Norfolk in July, and I think he's having a good season overall but I wouldn't mind an average over .300 for such a huge prospect.

Why should a slow of foot, power/OBP guy need to hit 300?

Not as if a ton of guys hit for average these days.

[orioles22]

13 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

Why should a slow of foot, power/OBP guy need to hit 300?

Not as if a ton of guys hit for average these days.

Yeah, I know. I live in the 1970s most of the time... I still like to see .300 hitters and pitchers throw complete games.

[Pickles]

39 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

Why should a slow of foot, power/OBP guy need to hit 300?

Not as if a ton of guys hit for average these days.

Because if he can't hit 300 in AA at 23 years old, the hit tool isn't plus.

[Absltgreek]

29 minutes ago, Pickles said:

Because if he can't hit 300 in AA at 23 years old, the hit tool isn't plus.

I guess the near 1.000 OPS means nothing. Oh well. 

[CarrRun49]

11 hours ago, orioles22 said:

Down to .287 after an 0-4 tonight. I expect to see him at Norfolk in July, and I think he's having a good season overall but I wouldn't mind an average over .300 for such a huge prospect.

Think we should send him down to Aberdeen to regain his focus?

[orioles22]

21 minutes ago, CarrRun49 said:

Think we should send him down to Aberdeen to regain his focus?

If you read through that again, I said I expect him to be at Norfolk in July. It was only one sentence - didn't think it would confuse anyone.

[Pickles]

11 hours ago, Absltgreek said:

I guess the near 1.000 OPS means nothing. Oh well. 

Not regarding his hit tool.  No.

There's plenty of studies showing hit tool is the most important skill which correlates to ML success.

I'm not trying to crap on the guy.  But I'm being realistic.

[Can_of_corn]

20 minutes ago, Pickles said:

Not regarding his hit tool.  No.

There's plenty of studies showing hit tool is the most important skill which correlates to ML success.

I'm not trying to crap on the guy.  But I'm being realistic.

So someone putting up a 305/315/335 slash line has the superior hit tool over Adley?

[MurphDogg]

There is disagreement as to whether batting eye / strike zone recognition is considered part of the hit tool. That aspect of Adley's game is plus-plus. And the value of that increases as he moves up to leagues with better home plate umpires.

[Pickles]

9 hours ago, Can_of_corn said:

So someone putting up a 305/315/335 slash line has the superior hit tool over Adley?

You couldn't say anything definitively over the course of whatever it has been so far- 150 abs maybe?

And 300 is an arbitrary number.

And 287 over the course of those 150 abs isn't negligibly distinct from 300.

But I think a player who puts up a 300/400/500 line at AA is likely to be a better ML hitter than one who puts up a 250/400/500 line, all other things being considered equal.

[Frobby]

2 minutes ago, Pickles said:

You couldn't say anything definitively over the course of whatever it has been so far- 150 abs maybe?

And 300 is an arbitrary number.

And 287 over the course of those 150 abs isn't negligibly distinct from 300.

But I think a player who puts up a 300/400/500 line at AA is likely to be a better ML hitter than one who puts up a 250/400/500 line, all other things being considered equal.

I agree.   

[Pickles]

9 hours ago, MurphDogg said:

There is disagreement as to whether batting eye / strike zone recognition is considered part of the hit tool. That aspect of Adley's game is plus-plus. And the value of that increases as he moves up to leagues with better home plate umpires.

Is that the claim?

His plate discipline is obviously as good as it gets at that level.  But, imo, that's very distinct from hit tool, and that's always been understood.  Of course, they're interrelated in performance, but so is power and hit tool, and yet people are very comfortable in being able to distinguish the two.

Bat to ball skills- i.e. hit tool- have shown to be among the most predictive skills in the MiLs for ML success.  

[Can_of_corn]

4 minutes ago, Pickles said:

You couldn't say anything definitively over the course of whatever it has been so far- 150 abs maybe?

And 300 is an arbitrary number.

And 287 over the course of those 150 abs isn't negligibly distinct from 300.

But I think a player who puts up a 300/400/500 line at AA is likely to be a better ML hitter than one who puts up a 250/400/500 line, all other things being considered equal.

Sure, singles are superior to walks.  You turn 10 walks into singles and you have probably produced more runs.

But, as you said, 300 is an arbitrary number.  I also think the ability to control the strike zone as a hitter is part of the "hit tool".

[Can_of_corn]

1 minute ago, Pickles said:

Is that the claim?

His plate discipline is obviously as good as it gets at that level.  But, imo, that's very distinct from hit tool, and that's always been understood.  Of course, they're interrelated in performance, but so is power and hit tool, and yet people are very comfortable in being able to distinguish the two.

Bat to ball skills- i.e. hit tool- have shown to be among the most predictive skills in the MiLs for ML success.  

If plate discipline is very distinct from the hit tool why isn't it listed as a separate skill?

Hit for power, hit for average, throw, run, field. 

Five tools.

It's certainly a more useful skill for a catcher than run is.