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I was recalling this morning how weams and I would be frantically collecting information to post in the Draft Tracker thread, for two or three years that I remember.  I could in no way do that now.  I

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I don’t understand the “Jones or Bust” crowd here, as if he’s a guaranteed sure thing perennial All Star going forward. Chances are good that he’ll be a productive major league player, but it’s also l

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Johnson seems like just a 1st rate kid on top of being a great hitter. Hopefully the Orioles didn't miss on him because he was short and probably a 2nd baseman. I'll root for him.

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1 minute ago, Mizerooskie said:

That would seem to indicate that Holliday really did end up atop their board for non-financial reasons.

I think it’s obvious that Holliday was 1 on their board and not a signability pick.

Whether or not they are right remains to be seen of course.  I would have preferred Jones but unlike last year, I don’t feel they passed on a player they rated higher just to save money and that means they believe Holliday is the better prospect and Im good with that.  I’m good with that process, which I feel is of the utmost importance.

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9 hours ago, SteveA said:

Tuesday we will load up on pitchers.

That is Elias' MO. We'll see how this all works out but I'm starting to think he thinks he can take the Spencer Watkins of the world and make them decent starters so why waste picks on high injury risk young pitchers?

We'll see if that's right long term. I'd really like some good arms to dream upon in the system that he drafted or signed.

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Sunday night's second round had draft picks read by drunk former major leaguers.  Wouldn't it be amazing if the third round picks were presented by wildly hungover former major leaguers?  Would be great to see Demper walk up there with a bloody mary in his hand.

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29 minutes ago, Tony-OH said:

That is Elias' MO. We'll see how this all works out but I'm starting to think he thinks he can take the Spencer Watkins of the world and make them decent starters so why waste picks on high injury risk young pitchers?

We'll see if that's right long term. I'd really like some good arms to dream upon in the system that he drafted or signed.

They also might think that they can cut deals with teams like the Guardians and Angels that have drafted too many pitchers.  Of course, the issue with that is the Guardians seem to be really good at drafting and developing pitching.  The Angels, not so much but it isn't clear that their issues are development vs just drafting poorly.  If they draft poorly, there isn't much sense in trading with guys that you don't think you can develop yourselves.  

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32 minutes ago, Tony-OH said:

That is Elias' MO. We'll see how this all works out but I'm starting to think he thinks he can take the Spencer Watkins of the world and make them decent starters so why waste picks on high injury risk young pitchers?

We'll see if that's right long term. I'd really like some good arms to dream upon in the system that he drafted or signed.

The best rotation the Os have had in a while was headed up by guys like Chen and Miguel Gonzalez.  

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12 minutes ago, Sports Guy said:

The best rotation the Os have had in a while was headed up by guys like Chen and Miguel Gonzalez.  

And we've had plenty of bad rotations made up of guys that were that year's equivalent of Chen and Gonzalez.  It's great when you hit with a guy like that but mostly you don't.

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1 minute ago, Can_of_corn said:

And we've had plenty of bad rotations made up of guys that were that year's equivalent of Chen and Gonzalez.  It's great when you hit with a guy like that but mostly you don't.

No doubt.  But what you are illustrating is the exact point of what the model is telling you…pitching is really hard to predict, develop and keep healthy.  

It’s far easier to develop the bats.  
 

You can always make trades.

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More fodder for 26 or 52 weeks from now.     Remind me if I'm missing any, but the Orioles haven't really done a large scale consolidation trade attempt since Glenn Davis, right?

As surely as Swing Decisions improving in the aggregate over time, it feels like a mathematical certainty its going to happen for shaping the accumulated talent to an October roster, whether '23, '24, '25, etc.

We now know Adley-Mountcastle-Westburg-Holliday-Gunnar-Cowser-Mullins-Kjerstad-Mayo are perhaps your Best Nine bats for the peak lineups.      Westburg-Mullins-Mayo-Hays are I guess four guys for three spots beneath the Aircraft Carrier/Beast tier player.  Westburg's probably going to outdo Hays in $$$/WAR in a couple more Augusts as much as Stowers is about to outdo Mancini.

Santander-Urias-Stowers-Norby-Prieto-Rhodes-Hernaiz-Beavers-Wagner-Fabian...spare parts, unless more Gunnar type breakouts occur.

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33 minutes ago, Sports Guy said:

No doubt.  But what you are illustrating is the exact point of what the model is telling you…pitching is really hard to predict, develop and keep healthy.  

It’s far easier to develop the bats.  
 

You can always make trades.

I'm not at all sure that I'm being told that.

The O's have brought in a ton of Chen/Gonzalez type hitters over the years and missed with them as well.

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8 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

I'm not at all sure that I'm being told that.

The O's have brought in a ton of Chen/Gonzalez type hitters over the years and missed with them as well.

Sure, and we can list all of the pitchers drafted in the top 5 rounds over the last 30 years and check on the success rate there as well.  It ain't pretty.   Obviously, we hope GRod and Hall are the exceptions along with very few others along the way.  

The pitching pipeline has been constructed.  The oil just hasn't reached the other end yet.

Dominican Republic and Venezuela.  Now I welcome your snark.

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