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Moose Milligan
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No reason not to fill as many holes as they can.  I don't agree with his logic.  

crawjo
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In my view, 2022 is the first year where I'm judging Elias for the on-field product. If this team loses 108 games again, it's his fault. There's no excuse for it anymore. We need upgrades to the infie

Aristotelian
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Harrison makes perfect sense for us. Get it done Mike.

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On 11/18/2021 at 2:01 PM, Can_of_corn said:

Grayson and Means.  Maybe Hall.

Of course you evidently think Grayson and Hall are disappointments???

Means wasn’t even a prospect.  Our analytics and player development helped turn him and Mullins into dudes.  

Hall is still the same guy- tantalizing stuff but suspect command.  He could be a TORP or an elite reliever.  Grayson is the one who jumped forward.  

We have definitely improved the development and scouting pipeline, that much is for sure.  

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On 11/18/2021 at 8:43 AM, crawjo said:

In my view, 2022 is the first year where I'm judging Elias for the on-field product. If this team loses 108 games again, it's his fault. There's no excuse for it anymore. We need upgrades to the infield and the starting rotation for sure, and then also for the bullpen. I don't think the outfield should be a concern. I'm not saying the team needs to compete right now for a playoff spot. But there needs to be progress towards that goal. 

If it were me and if we had the budget for it, which we probably don't, I would have gone aggressively after Correa. He's young, he fills a need for years to come, and he fills a serious hole in our organization. I get why that won't happen, but to me it would be similar to when the 119-loss Detroit Tigers signed Ivan Rodriguez back in 2004. At some point, you have to start getting serious about fielding a competitive team. If you want this team to compete in 2023 and 2024, it is unreasonable to expect them to go from 100 losses to playoff contention that fast. This is the year we need to step up. 

Jayson Werth for the Nationals years ago, and you could argue Springer for the Jays last year.  

Definitely time to get a veteran into the clubhouse and prove that we are getting ready to push for a run.  

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On 11/21/2021 at 10:06 PM, ThomasTomasz said:

Means wasn’t even a prospect.  Our analytics and player development helped turn him and Mullins into dudes.  

Hall is still the same guy- tantalizing stuff but suspect command.  He could be a TORP or an elite reliever.  Grayson is the one who jumped forward.  

We have definitely improved the development and scouting pipeline, that much is for sure.  

I thought Means visited Driveline during the off-season and threw into his mattress?

Not sure what percentage the O's development team deserves for Means.

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4 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

I think giving the coaching staff all the credit isn't fair to Means.  He took the initiative to improve beyond what was required.

I think it should go without saying that the player deserves most of the credit for his own improvement.   It seems like at least half the pitchers are going to places like Driveline and P3 now, but it wasn’t as common (at least, we didn’t hear about it as much) back in 2018-19 when Means did it.   

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6 minutes ago, Frobby said:

I think it should go without saying that the player deserves most of the credit for his own improvement.   It seems like at least half the pitchers are going to places like Driveline and P3 now, but it wasn’t as common (at least, we didn’t hear about it as much) back in 2018-19 when Means did it.   

Copycat league..once you start to see success, everyone does it.

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