Elias Q&A with Meoli

[wildcard]

23 minutes ago, Porky said:

The Baltimore Metro Area has 2,844,510 people and the St. Louis Metro Area has 2,820,253. Both have similar TV markets. Both share their market with only one other professional team from the big four sports. Both are squeezed by other franchises - the O's have the Nats and Phillies; the Cardinals have the Cubs and Royals. In 2017, the last time the Orioles tried to compete, the Cardinals had a payroll of $152m and the Orioles had a payroll of $163m. Outside of baseball, they're also both cities that have struggled in the 21st Century in many of the same ways.

The difference between the Cardinals and Orioles has nothing to do with their geographic luck. It has everything to do with the fact the Cardinals have been one of the best run organizations in MLB for the past 20 years, and the Orioles have been one of the worst.

Totally agree that the Cards are well run.  But the drawing area you state for the Cards is bs.   The Cards draw from Missouri, lower, Illinois, parts of Kentucky, Tennessee, and Arkansas.  The O's draw of the Baltimore metro area York Pa, plus some of Frederick and Hagerstown  the eastern shore (probably evenly split with the Nats and Philly depending of the area). 

[waroriole]

5 minutes ago, wildcard said:

Totally agree that the Cards are well run.  But the drawing area you state for the Cards is bs.   The Cards draw from Missouri, lower, Illinois, parts of Kentucky, Tennessee, and Arkansas.  The O's draw of the Baltimore metro area York Pa, plus some of Frederick and Hagerstown  the eastern shore (probably evenly split with the Nats and Philly depending of the area). 

Eastern shore people are not Philly fans. Not even really Nats fans. 

[wildcard]

3 minutes ago, waroriole said:

Eastern shore people are not Philly fans. Not even really Nats fans. 

Wilmington does not have Philly fans?  And Roch would disagree with you.   His parents are in OC.

[waroriole]

15 minutes ago, wildcard said:

Wilmington does not have Philly fans?  And Roch would disagree with you.   His parents are in OC.

Oh well if one person in OC is a Phillies fan, I must be wrong. 

[connja]

Quote

I still think that we’re looking to see the talent and core pieces kind of emerge and gain momentum, and that’s primarily what we’re looking for and looking toward in 2022. But whenever that step is taken, I think as I said in terms of pursuing playoff odds, it will lead to a change in the way that we allocate our resources and try to leverage those playoff odds.

Would be interesting if the Orioles play .500 baseball for a few months next year, to see if they would start adding at the deadline.  Obviously not going to jeapordize what we have been working for but look forward to the day when we get a bit more aggressive.e

[Frobby]

46 minutes ago, Porky said:

The Baltimore Metro Area has 2,844,510 people and the St. Louis Metro Area has 2,820,253. Both have similar TV markets. Both share their market with only one other professional team from the big four sports. Both are squeezed by other franchises - the O's have the Nats and Phillies; the Cardinals have the Cubs and Royals. In 2017, the last time the Orioles tried to compete, the Cardinals had a payroll of $152m and the Orioles had a payroll of $163m. Outside of baseball, they're also both cities that have struggled in the 21st Century in many of the same ways.

The difference between the Cardinals and Orioles has nothing to do with their geographic luck. It has everything to do with the fact the Cardinals have been one of the best run organizations in MLB for the past 20 years, and the Orioles have been one of the worst.

This map is fun.  It shows which team gets the most ticket sales in each US county.    That yellow swath in the middle is the Cardinals.  
 

https://www.vividseats.com/blog/most-popular-mlb-teams-by-state-county/map

[Can_of_corn]

1 minute ago, Frobby said:

This map is fun.  It shows which team gets the most ticket sales in each US county.    That yellow swath in the middle is the Cardinals.  
 

https://www.vividseats.com/blog/most-popular-mlb-teams-by-state-county/map

North Carolina is interesting.

[waroriole]

7 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

North Carolina is interesting.

There’s a few outliers. Morgan county Kentucky is Giants fans. 
 

O’s get Yates county New York and Yazoo county Mississippi. And Burke county North Dakota. 

[Aristotelian]

3 minutes ago, Frobby said:

This map is fun.  It shows which team gets the most ticket sales in each US county.    That yellow swath in the middle is the Cardinals.  
 

https://www.vividseats.com/blog/most-popular-mlb-teams-by-state-county/map

That is fun. Who knew Red Sox are the most popular team in Charles City VA. Something wrong with those people. So close to Norfolk too. 

[Frobby]

1 hour ago, Sports Guy said:

Attendance counts for a small % of revenue.

It is not the biggest share of revenue, but it is significant and varies a lot by team.  The Yankees collected $284 mm at the gate in 2018; the Orioles collected $42 mm.   And the O’s gate receipts have dropped significantly from there.    For the median team, gate receipts were about 25% of total revenue in 2018 ($71.5 mm/$289.5 mm).

[Bahama O's Fan]

Meanwhile, look at the Ray's

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2021/11/rays-sign-wander-franco-extension-11-years.html

[Sports Guy]

9 minutes ago, Frobby said:

It is not the biggest share of revenue, but it is significant and varies a lot by team.  The Yankees collected $284 mm at the gate in 2018; the Orioles collected $42 mm.   And the O’s gate receipts have dropped significantly from there.    For the median team, gate receipts were about 25% of total revenue in 2018 ($71.5 mm/$289.5 mm).

Sure but there are also a lot of expenses that go with that.

Attendance matters but it pales in comparison to other numbers.

[Sports Guy]

This is very simple.  The Os RECENTLY spent a ton of money on payroll.

Their payroll is going to look like it did in the 90s and things are a wee bit different now than they were then.

Its a joke and it’s not justifiable.  They are stealing from the fans and, quite frankly, the players too.  They are robbing everyone of a chance at being a competitive and representative team and they are doing it while hiding behind the idea that they need to keep rebuilding.  It’s a joke and it’s even worse that fans both on this site and everywhere else actually buy into it.

 

[Yardball85]

1 hour ago, Porky said:

The Baltimore Metro Area has 2,844,510 people and the St. Louis Metro Area has 2,820,253. Both have similar TV markets. Both share their market with only one other professional team from the big four sports. Both are squeezed by other franchises - the O's have the Nats and Phillies; the Cardinals have the Cubs and Royals. In 2017, the last time the Orioles tried to compete, the Cardinals had a payroll of $152m and the Orioles had a payroll of $163m. Outside of baseball, they're also both cities that have struggled in the 21st Century in many of the same ways.

The difference between the Cardinals and Orioles has nothing to do with their geographic luck. It has everything to do with the fact the Cardinals have been one of the best run organizations in MLB for the past 20 years, and the Orioles have been one of the worst.

Great post. 

[Pushmonkey]

34 minutes ago, Frobby said:

This map is fun.  It shows which team gets the most ticket sales in each US county.    That yellow swath in the middle is the Cardinals.  
 

https://www.vividseats.com/blog/most-popular-mlb-teams-by-state-county/map

What about Nashville?