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[sportsfan8703]

Are we at the point where having Gunnar and Westburg up for the remaining 87 games this year outweighs having them up 130 games next year?  Is it really worth holding them back for 43 games?  We could start out 6-14 again next year while trying to game the service clock system.  What is really going to change between now and next OD?  We'd still be relying on Mateo and a stop gap 3B until they come up.  I'd put Vavra and Stowers in a different category than Gunnar and Westurg.  Stowers has no place to play until we trade Mancini.  Vavra has no place to play until we trade/bench Odor or slide him to 3rd Base.  

I don't think you'd be going out on a limb to say that Stowers, Vavra, Westburg, and Gunnar, are all ready.  We could really use the extra punch in the lineup at 3B, SS, and 2B.  

[Sports Guy]

Wonder if we could pry away Triston MacKenzie?

[Roll Tide]

On 6/27/2022 at 11:05 AM, Tony-OH said:

Well the team is 15-13 in gams he's started. They're 6-1 when he starts at DH, which is of course a SSS but just thought I'd note it.

The pen he has been pretty amazing so far. Gotta give Elias credit for rebuilding his pen with several DFA guys who have done well (Perez and Krehbeil) along with converting Lopez and Akin to relief, and giving in house guys like Tate and Bautista high leverage roles and giving Vespi a chance when he hadn't pitched effectively above AA until this year.

I think this team's lineup will be much better when Westburg and Henderson arrive and even potentially Vavra and Stowers. 

The starting pitching is really the issue overall. There's no one really knocking on the door (Rodriguez is hurt and Hall is not ready yet). 

 

Wouldn’t Hyde get the credit for putting the RPs in their roles and picking their spots?

[interloper]

4 minutes ago, Roll Tide said:

Wouldn’t Hyde get the credit for putting the RPs in their roles and picking their spots?

He gets a little credit for solid bullpen usage, but the scouting and acquiring of said players is far more important. They can't share credit? Lol. 

[SteveA]

52 minutes ago, Sports Guy said:

Wonder if we could pry away Triston MacKenzie?

He's so damn skinny.   Guy needs to eat a few more cheeseburgers.

But with so many years of team control left, and quite a ways away from arbitration even, why would the Guardians deal him?

[RVAOsFan]

54 minutes ago, Sports Guy said:

Wonder if we could pry away Triston MacKenzie?

From MLBTR chat yesterday, seems like Cleveland could be a perfect dance partner:

Guards Fan 3.0

1:01

Is cleveland a team that should be looking for controllable starting pitching at the deadline??

 

Steve Adams

1:03

If I were them, I'd be considering selling some controllable pitching -- not because they should be looking to tear the roster down but because of the depth they have and because it could fetch them needed MLB help elsewhere. They've got Bieber, Civale, McKenzie, Plesac and Quantrill all in the big leagues now, a decent fifth/sixth option in Pilkington. Daniel Espino might be the top pitching prospect in baseball and isn't far off. Gavin Williams, Peyton Battenfield, Tobias Myers... they're just really deep.

I think they'll be buyers, if only to create some 40-man flexibility after protecting 11 prospects from the Rule 5-that-never-was, but they could also pair some of those guys with a Plesac or Quantrill, whom other clubs might love to get their hands on and whom Cleveland could replace with relative ease.

[Sports Guy]

1 minute ago, SteveA said:

He's so damn skinny.   Guy needs to eat a few more cheeseburgers.

But with so many years of team control left, and quite a ways away from arbitration even, why would the Guardians deal him?

I don’t know that they would.  But they have a lot of pitching and some of his numbers suggest he has been lucky this year, ERA wise.  He’s a flyball pitcher who is giving up a lot of homers and if they want to make a run and think they could use bats like Santander and Mancini to do it and if they feel they can replace MacKenzie, maybe something can happen there.

I tend to doubt it since Cle is cheap and would probably prefer to trade Plesac but I also don’t think they can get the bats they need for him.

[RVAOsFan]

5 minutes ago, SteveA said:

He's so damn skinny.   Guy needs to eat a few more cheeseburgers.

But with so many years of team control left, and quite a ways away from arbitration even, why would the Guardians deal him?

https://factoryofsadness.co/2022/06/25/cleveland-guardians-two-biggest-trade-needs-ahead-2022-deadline/

This article seems to think they could really use a clean up hitter and Mancini is who they want to target.

[Sports Guy]

2 minutes ago, RVAOsFan said:

https://factoryofsadness.co/2022/06/25/cleveland-guardians-two-biggest-trade-needs-ahead-2022-deadline/

This article seems to think they could really use a clean up hitter and Mancini is who they want to target.

Tate, Mancini, Santander and some cash(a few million) for MacKenzie and prospect in the 6-12 range in their organization.  Maybe you are lucky enough to squeeze out an into lottery ticket too.

That’s a deal I would love to see made.

[RVAOsFan]

4 minutes ago, Sports Guy said:

Tate, Mancini, Santander and some cash(a few million) for MacKenzie and prospect in the 6-12 range in their organization.  Maybe you are lucky enough to squeeze out an into lottery ticket too.

That’s a deal I would love to see made.

I think acquiring a young starting pitcher would be huge so I have to agree but it would sting losing Santander and Mancini in the same deal.

[Sports Guy]

Just now, RVAOsFan said:

I think acquiring a young starting pitcher would be huge so I have to agree but it would sting losing Santander and Mancini in the same deal.

It would but you get Stowers, Westburg and Henderson up here and I think you would be fine.

Maybe Vavra and Diaz as well if they stay healthy.

We aren’t contending this year, so losing those guys only hurts the here and now and we still may be better off with MacKenzie and those young guys getting the extra at bats vs those 2 anyway…and you certainly are better off long term especially since you will be saving a lot of money.  Not that the money isn’t there but it’s still more money to use on other things and you shouldn’t be spending big money on Mancini anyway.  Santander will likely justify his 2023 salary but we can likely replace that production for less.

[RVAOsFan]

3 minutes ago, Sports Guy said:

It would but you get Stowers, Westburg and Henderson up here and I think you would be fine.

Maybe Vavra and Diaz as well if they stay healthy.

We aren’t contending this year, so losing those guys only hurts the here and now and we still may be better off with MacKenzie and those young guys getting the extra at bats vs those 2 anyway…and you certainly are better off long term especially since you will be saving a lot of money.  Not that the money isn’t there but it’s still more money to use on other things and you shouldn’t be spending big money on Mancini anyway.  Santander will likely justify his 2023 salary but we can likely replace that production for less.

Yea, I think the important thing here is there is a lot more positional help coming up than pitching help.  Can't keep kicking the can down the road, need to start making some moves for future pieces.  I also think we need to find some playing time for Diaz this season if he can stay healthy, time to find out what we have in that guy.

[SteveA]

25 minutes ago, Sports Guy said:

Tate, Mancini, Santander and some cash(a few million) for MacKenzie and prospect in the 6-12 range in their organization.  Maybe you are lucky enough to squeeze out an into lottery ticket too.

That’s a deal I would love to see made.

I'd do that deal in a minute.    I would be surprised if Cleveland would.

[Can_of_corn]

3 minutes ago, SteveA said:

I'd do that deal in a minute.    I would be surprised if Cleveland would.

Why wouldn't they trade for three guys that Sports Guy wants off the roster anyway?

[Sports Guy]

19 minutes ago, SteveA said:

I'd do that deal in a minute.    I would be surprised if Cleveland would.

I don’t think I would be surprised but I also don’t think they would do it.