Jump to content

Looks like there will be no international draft & QOs will remain

SteveA

By SteveA
in Orioles Talk

 Share

Recommended Posts

phatty High-A

phatty

Posted
Posted
4 minutes ago, SteveA said:

MLB and the Union failed to reach an agreement on a framework for an international draft.

So the international signing, and the free agent qualifying offer system, will remain intact for the remainder of the CBA (through 2026).

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2022/07/mlbpa-rejects-mlbs-final-proposal-on-international-draft.html

Since we are finally diving into this market as an organization I think this benefits the Orioles more than I would have thought in the off-season. I believe mlb clubs would have spent a ton more with either of the proposals drafted by mlb and mlbpa. Not too mention we are just now building out the facility in the DR. 

  • Upvote 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites
SteveA Hangout Grand Counsel

SteveA

Posted
  • Author
Posted
Just now, Pickles said:

Could (should?) change the calculation for Mancini.

How?   Could he even get a QO?   I'm not sure how that works with a mutual option.   If he declined it, would we then be able to QO him to get the draft pick?    

Link to comment
Share on other sites
Jagwar Hangout Grand Counsel

Jagwar

Posted
Posted

I'm disappointed, at least in the international draft news. I've always wanted an equal playing field.

Who would the O's have been able to draft with their top draft picks? Who might they have drafted #1 in 2019? Who might they have drafted #2 in 2020? Who might they have drafted #5 in 2021? Or who would they get this year at #1?

Or geez, what about the lost 14 years from 1998 to 2011?

Link to comment
Share on other sites
Pickles Hangout Grand Counsel

Pickles

Posted
Posted
1 hour ago, SteveA said:

How?   Could he even get a QO?   I'm not sure how that works with a mutual option.   If he declined it, would we then be able to QO him to get the draft pick?    

I'm pretty sure he can reject the option, and they can offer the qualifying offer, which he can likewise reject, and become a FA, eligible for draft compensation upon signing with another team.

Link to comment
Share on other sites
Pickles Hangout Grand Counsel

Pickles

Posted
Posted
1 hour ago, ArtVanDelay said:

Yes but there’s no way they’d offer him a QO. 

Maybe.  It depends on what kind of contract you think he's getting in FA.

If the QO is like 1/18, doesn't it make sense for him to take 3/36?

Does he get 3/36?

Link to comment
Share on other sites
Riggodrill44 Major Leaguer Cup of Coffee

Riggodrill44

Posted
Posted
1 hour ago, Pickles said:

I'm pretty sure he can reject the option, and they can offer the qualifying offer, which he can likewise reject, and become a FA, eligible for draft compensation upon signing with another team.

There just no way Trey would reject a Qualifiying Offer. 
 

20million for 1 year? Trey’s agent would need to be decertified.

Link to comment
Share on other sites
Pickles Hangout Grand Counsel

Pickles

Posted
Posted
22 minutes ago, Riggodrill44 said:

There just no way Trey would reject a Qualifiying Offer. 
 

20million for 1 year? Trey’s agent would need to be decertified.

Well, it was 18.4 last offseason, and dropping.

I think he could command 3/36 on the open market.  I think he might prefer that to 1/19.  I don't think that is unreasonable.

That scenario would net the O's a 3rd pick.

Link to comment
Share on other sites
MDtransplant757 Hangout Grand Counsel

MDtransplant757

Posted
Posted
12 minutes ago, Pickles said:

Well, it was 18.4 last offseason, and dropping.

I think he could command 3/36 on the open market.  I think he might prefer that to 1/19.  I don't think that is unreasonable.

That scenario would net the O's a 3rd pick.

Are the QO rules the same as they were in 2017 or is it market dependent still? 

Link to comment
Share on other sites
Pickles Hangout Grand Counsel

Pickles

Posted
Posted
9 minutes ago, MDtransplant757 said:

Are the QO rules the same as they were in 2017 or is it market dependent still? 

https://wtop.com/mlb/2022/03/major-league-baseball-labor-agreement-details/

 

The draft pick coming back is dependent upon the total value/average annual value of the deal.

With Mancini, to the best of my understanding, if he signs a FA deal exceeding 25 million total guaranteed, the Orioles would get a third round compensation pick.

I feel pretty strongly that Mancini will sign a multi-year deal in FA that exceeds 25 mil total guaranteed.

Link to comment
Share on other sites
MDtransplant757 Hangout Grand Counsel

MDtransplant757

Posted
Posted
Just now, Pickles said:

https://wtop.com/mlb/2022/03/major-league-baseball-labor-agreement-details/

 

The draft pick coming back is dependent upon the total value/average annual value of the deal.

With Mancini, to the best of my understanding, if he signs a FA deal exceeding 25 million total guaranteed, the Orioles would get a third round compensation pick.

I feel pretty strongly that Mancini will sign a multi-year deal in FA that exceeds 25 mil total guaranteed.

Gotcha. Depends on what the offers are as to whether I'd pull the trigger on a potential deal or QO'ing Mancini. 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.

×
 Share
Go to topic listing


  • Posts

    • EddeeEddee
      The New Guys

      By EddeeEddee · Posted

      I'm not disregarding his past performance, but in general recent performance is more relevant if it's a decent sample size.  140 PAs is a pretty high number.  It's been pretty clear for awhile now that what he was once good at he's not good at right now.  I'd rather see Kjerstad bat against lefties than Slater at this point.    
    • Sports Guy
      Os vs NL

      By Sports Guy · Posted

      Today was, thankfully, the last games vs the NL this year…barring a WS run of course. The Os finish 19-26 (that’s a sub 70 win% seasons) vs the NL and were outscored by 42 runs.     That means vs the AL he has outscored them by about 115 runs and are 24 games over 500.  
    • baltfan
      Hyde Hot Seat

      By baltfan · Posted

      It’s the quietest 879 in the history of baseball. 
    • EddeeEddee
      Hyde Hot Seat

      By EddeeEddee · Posted

      I disagree Mayo is one of the reasons the Orioles have not hit well.  Emmanuel Rivera, who has hit well with an .879 OPS since he joined the O's, has gotten the playing time over Mayo.  
    • DrinkinWithFermi
      Anthony Santander 2024

      By DrinkinWithFermi · Posted

      I was sort taking that as a fait accompli. Signing expensive long-term free agent deals for one dimensional sluggers heading into their 30s definitely does not seem like Elias's style, especially when an extra high draft pick (and accompanying extra bonus pool money) is the reward for not doing so.
    • Frobby
      The Defense Thread, 2024

      By Frobby · Posted

      Game 153, Sept. 19 Lots of notable defensive plays today.   Kjerstad made two excellent catches, one going back and towards the RCF alley that (per Kevin Brown) was a 50% probability catch, and another going back to the wall near the corner and making the catch at close to full speed.   Holliday snared a line drive at the top of his leap, and also made a nice backhand running catch of a soft fly into medium RF. Mullins made a diving catch in the 7th on a sinking liner that he got a great jump on.   In the 9th, with runners on 1st and 2nd, Heliot hit a liner in the RCF gap that carried much further than it first appeared it would.   Mullins and Slater dove for it simultaneously and Slater actually gloved it for a second before it popped out while Slater landed on Mullins.  Luckily, the two base runners totally misread the play, and after Slater quickly scrambled to his feet and threw the ball in, the runner originally on 2B scored but the runner on 1st only advanced to 2B, and the batter had to stop at first.  The O’s were able to keep any further runs from scoring. One thing I’ve noticed about Manny Rivera is that he’s very slow charging bunts and slow rollers/choppers. He handled one bunt and one chopper in front of him today and both times the runner beat his throw rather easily, something that has happened a lot when Rivera has manned 3B.   I’m more than ready to have Urias -and/or Westburg back at the hot corner.    
    • jmi1960
      Lord I needed that

      By jmi1960 · Posted

      Don’t know what happened to him on here but I did meet him and some others from The Sun forums at the park on Matt Wieters first game as an Oriole. If I recall correctly his name was Patrick.  He seemed like a good dude but he did have his face painted and was wearing those big hulk hands…which did strike me as a little odd for a grown man but to each his own. 

  • Popular Contributors

×
×
  • Create New...