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3 minutes ago, Sports Guy said:

Ok, so you don’t have any actual evidence or anything that is remotely factual.  You are just making things up.

BTw, that’s fine but you were talking like it was a fact.

I said seems like.  I did not say this is what is Boras or Elias reported.    

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I said seems like.  I did not say this is what is Boras or Elias reported.    

But your seems like has no evidence behind it either. You are saying it seems like the Os were in on Rodón but there are no real reports that’s even remotely true.  In fact, every report we have seen is that the Os don’t want to go long term on guys and even Elias himself basically said it.

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13 minutes ago, waroriole said:

Why would Hays be targeted for 140-150 games? Unless there’s vast improvement from him, he’d be in a platoon. Maybe with Stowers. I think Vavra is the guy who’s impacted the most. 
 

That said, of course there will be injuries that allow Stowers to get 500 PAs if he’s healthy and reasonably productive. 

Agree to disagree.  The plan going into the season is NOT to platoon Hays and injuries, of course, are unpredictable.   I stand by my statement.   Plan A does not seem to include Stowers.

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But your seems like has no evidence behind it either. You are saying it seems like the Os were in on Rodón but there are no real reports that’s even remotely true.  In fact, every report we have seen is that the Os don’t want to go long term on guys and even Elias himself basically said it.

I don't Elias did say that.   In fact, he said you "have to pay the going rate".    The reporter asked him if there was a limit on years or money.   Elias said years and money go hand in hand.   He didn't say anything about being unwilling to go to a certain number of years or being limited by the years.    

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6 minutes ago, RZNJ said:

I don't Elias did say that.   In fact, he said you "have to pay the going rate".    The reporter asked him if there was a limit on years or money.   Elias said years and money go hand in hand.   He didn't say anything about being unwilling to go to a certain number of years or being limited by the years.    

No but reading between the lines, I think it’s pretty obvious.

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18 minutes ago, RZNJ said:

Agree to disagree.  The plan going into the season is NOT to platoon Hays and injuries, of course, are unpredictable.   I stand by my statement.   Plan A does not seem to include Stowers.

Some of the reports I believe from Connolly or Roch mentioned upgrading COF. I think that would effect Hays.

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27 minutes ago, Sports Guy said:

Ok, so you don’t have any actual evidence or anything that is remotely factual.  You are just making things up.

BTw, that’s fine but you were talking like it was a fact.

Come on!   You're smarter than that.   There is not one person here who thought he was presenting anything other than his opinion and speculation.

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1 minute ago, Roll Tide said:

Some of the reports I believe from Connolly or Roch mentioned upgrading COF. I think that would effect Hays.

It would but Elias mentioned that between the new guy and the three holdovers that between the three outfield spots and DH, all four would be getting regular playing time.

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1 hour ago, wildcard said:

Elias said he talked to a few pitchers about being the O's Opening Day starter. That sounds like Rodon, Bassitt or Taillon.  Taillon is off the board.

It'd be a good trick if in one offseason he could woo Kyle Gibson, Chris Bassitt and Carlos Rodon with an Opening Day starter promise.    And a luxury bus for spring roadtrips.

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I chuckled in September when Orioles Twitter kept whining about Hyde not playing Stowers. As if that was his call. What we are hearing now just reinforces it. 
 

Conforto had shoulder issues but he has had a really good OBP in his career. At this point I have no idea what happens. He isn’t a great fielder. You could still give Stowers a bunch of at bats even adding him if they wanted. 

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55 minutes ago, RZNJ said:

Agree to disagree.  The plan going into the season is NOT to platoon Hays and injuries, of course, are unpredictable.   I stand by my statement.   Plan A does not seem to include Stowers.

If we bought a real blue chip like Michael Conforto, for 2023 it'd also basically re-aim Colton Cowser at Austin Hays job instead of Kyle Stowers (or Terrin Vavra's, or Jordan Westburg's or whoever you feel the DH incumbent is).

I read the same Houston Brantley health story the other day, so not quite LAD Kershaw "false" free agency level but if they want each other seems very likely.     Brantley picked HOU 2 years back when he had a fork in the road to stay or follow Springer to Toronto.

Conforto for me has a goodish edge on Gallo or Brantley.    Yes you can hit 3rd and get all the HR/RBI you want while Cowser finishes polishing up.

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If we bought a real blue chip like Michael Conforto, for 2023 it'd also basically re-aim Colton Cowser at Austin Hays job instead of Kyle Stowers (or Terrin Vavra's, or Jordan Westburg's or whoever you feel the DH incumbent is).

I read the same Houston Brantley health story the other day, so not quite LAD Kershaw "false" free agency level but if they want each other seems very likely.     Brantley picked HOU 2 years back when he had a fork in the road to stay or follow Springer to Toronto.

Conforto for me has a goodish edge on Gallo or Brantley.    Yes you can hit 3rd and get all the HR/RBI you want while Cowser finishes polishing up.

Bowden on MLBN Radio said he thought he could get a 2 year deal. 
 

 

Also said Orioles should in on Rodon. I assume he will ask Elias about it.  

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