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A lot of good answers here. I came to say DL Hall is a 1-3 starter, but that's been said.

What hasn't been said is what if Ortiz's bat is for real? It would be amazing to have 6-7 years of gold glove like SS with an above average bat. And to still have Holliday on the come? Wow.

But there are a few guys that could be that guy. What if Mayo and Basallo end up being two guys with 65-70 game power? What if Norby really has a Jeff Kent like bat? Heck. What if Hays plays a full season like his first half last year? 

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And people will still be unhappy.

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Joey Ortiz will be the starting SS on the team by the second half of the season.

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Bump…this February 2023 prediction was pretty eerie foreshadowing of the Rubenstein rumor.   Lots of fun predictions in this thread.   Nobody mentioned Bradish.  @Moose Milliganmade a nice call o

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30 minutes ago, DirtyBird said:

Such as eternal hope?

Injuries, lack of innings, COVID year and stretches of dominance.

And just the general idea that a lot of guys have struggled in their teens and early 20s only to turn it around, especially in an organization that is now advanced (it wasn’t when he first got here) in how they develop.

Calling it an unrealistic expectation is wrong. I think it’s fair to say the most realistic expectation is that he ends up a reliever. That’s fair.  Saying it’s unrealistic that he can harness his command/control and be a starter is completely false.

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27 minutes ago, LookinUp said:

A lot of good answers here. I came to say DL Hall is a 1-3 starter, but that's been said.

What hasn't been said is what if Ortiz's bat is for real? It would be amazing to have 6-7 years of gold glove like SS with an above average bat. And to still have Holliday on the come? Wow.

But there are a few guys that could be that guy. What if Mayo and Basallo end up being two guys with 65-70 game power? What if Norby really has a Jeff Kent like bat? Heck. What if Hays plays a full season like his first half last year? 

So many things could go right…just as so many things could go wrong.

Health is #1. They were unusually healthy in 2022. Does that keep up?  If not, so key guys get hurt or just your peripheral players?  Do Adley or Gunnar miss significant time?  

How does Grayson look? Is he the top arm he appeared to be before the injury or did what we saw after he came back a sign of things to come?

Have guys like Perez, Bradish, Kremer, Tate, Mateo, et al, actually turned the corner in their careers or are they going to turn back into pumpkins?

Can Mullins be better vs lefties?  
 

So many storylines and so many things that could go right or wrong.

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19 minutes ago, Sports Guy said:

Injuries, lack of innings, COVID year and stretches of dominance.

And just the general idea that a lot of guys have struggled in their teens and early 20s only to turn it around, especially in an organization that is now advanced (it wasn’t when he first got here) in how they develop.

Calling it an unrealistic expectation is wrong. I think it’s fair to say the most realistic expectation is that he ends up a reliever. That’s fair.  Saying it’s unrealistic that he can harness his command/control and be a starter is completely false.

Couldn't it also be completely false to say that it IS realistic that Hall can harness his command/control and be a starter?  I'd say no....because we don't know what future events are completely true, what's completely false and what's.......let's just say, "Posssible."

Can we maybe agree that someone's opinion is maybe "debatable", rather than 'completely false".  And, maybe agree to disagree?

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Couldn't it also be completely false to say that it IS realistic that Hall can harness his command/control and be a starter?  I'd say no....because we don't know what future events are completely true, what's completely false and what's.......let's just say, "Posssible."

Can we maybe agree that someone's opinion is maybe "debatable", rather than 'completely false".  And, maybe agree to disagree?

No. It’s wrong to say it’s unrealistic. There have been 100s of players throughout Ml history that have gone from wild to respectable command.

Randy Johnson is a great example. 

Unrealistic is a poor choice of words. 

Want to say it’s a long shot? That’s a better choice of words. I don’t think that’s accurate either but that’s a better choice of words. 

 

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24 minutes ago, joelala said:

All good answers so far. I think the biggest developments for me would be to lock up Gunnar and Adley with massive extensions. 

You have these guys for the next 5 and 6 years.

Your biggest development would be that we have these guys locked up beyond 2028?  
 

Why would that be your biggest development? Is it the idea that the organization is just giving out that type of 8-10 year deal?  

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6 minutes ago, Sports Guy said:

No. It’s wrong to say it’s unrealistic. There have been 100s of players throughout Ml history that have gone from wild to respectable command.

Randy Johnson is a great example. 

We don’t need to look that far back or far away.  Felix Bautista illustrates the point.

I’d say the odds favor Hall improving his command enough to have a solid major league career.   Whether he gets beyond that is more dicey.   

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6 minutes ago, Sports Guy said:

Randy Johnson is a great example. 

The other day I posted an article about Tom House in the MLB forum.  He was the pitching coach for the Rangers/Nolan for a while.  Before a game, he and Nolan went over to watch Johnson throw a few pitches.  A few minutes later, House recommended that Johnson focus on landing his front foot on the ball of his foot (instead of his heel).  Johnson's BB% dropped significantly from that point on.

For Hall:  Freddy Peralta is a realistic hope (with a chance for more).

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7 minutes ago, Sports Guy said:

#1 doesn’t happen if the team is contending.

I'm not saying all, but need a couple to do.  And we were contending when we traded Mancini and Lopez, if you're on that bubble you can justify the move unless they're all star level guys.

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