Bautista vs. other closers

[Roy Firestone]

19 hours ago, Since1984 said:

Yes, let him be the deserving all-star. Just please add a Givens + and Tate + to the bullpen to have full season success!

I wouldn't hold my breath for either of them.

[Sports Guy]

The extra inning save situations should be completely thrown out. It’s not real baseball.

[Since1984]

1 hour ago, Roy Firestone said:

I wouldn't hold my breath for either of them.

I agree, hopefully a trade or two adds back this type of depth!

[Barnaby Graves]

He seems to overmatch more batters than anyone else I watch.  Not a lot of good ABs against him, lots of guessing and flailing.

[sportsfan8703]

Huge save today. I just worry if the stolen bases will bite us. Runners take bases at will on Bautista and Cano now. We exposed Alrodis Chapman earlier this season. 
 

Heck of a save by Bautista. 102 is the norm with the warm weather. 

[dystopia]

2 hours ago, Sports Guy said:

The extra inning save situations should be completely thrown out. It’s not real baseball.

The “ghost runner” should be thrown out. 

[Moose Milligan]

Just now, dystopia said:

The “ghost runner” should be thrown out. 

Nonsense. 

[dystopia]

43 minutes ago, Moose Milligan said:

Nonsense. 

It's a terrible rule. It defiles the game.

[Moose Milligan]

18 minutes ago, dystopia said:

It's a terrible rule. It defiles the game.

Not really, no. 
 

It actually promotes small ball, that brand of baseball we’ve gotten away from over the past 25 years.  Now, everyone is homer happy. But right away in extra innings there’s incentive to get a bunt down and advance a runner. Or hit behind the runner. Or walk the leadoff batter to put a double play in order. It puts pressure on the defense. 
 
We root for a team that has a bullpen full of one inning guys, hardly any of them can go 2 or more if they had to. 
 

And you want the possibility of a game going past 11 innings?  Are you aware of how absolutely screwed we’d be if we had a game go 12 or 13 innings?  Or even more? The bullpen could take almost a week to recover from something like that. 
 

But it’s easier to be a boomer and say “it defiles the game,” whatever that means. It sounds like “we’ve always done it this way, we can’t change it,” which is a sure fire way to go nowhere. 

[Can_of_corn]

2 minutes ago, Moose Milligan said:

Not really, no. 
 

It actually promotes small ball, that brand of baseball we’ve gotten away from over the past 25 years.  Now, everyone is homer happy. But right away in extra innings there’s incentive to get a bunt down and advance a runner. Or hit behind the runner. Or walk the leadoff batter to put a double play in order. It puts pressure on the defense. 
 
We root for a team that has a bullpen full of one inning guys, hardly any of them can go 2 or more if they had to. 
 

And you want the possibility of a game going past 11 innings?  Are you aware of how absolutely screwed we’d be if we had a game go 12 or 13 innings?  Or even more? The bullpen could take almost a week to recover from something like that. 
 

But it’s easier to be a boomer and say “it defiles the game,” whatever that means. It sounds like “we’ve always done it this way, we can’t change it,” which is a sure fire way to go nowhere. 

That was the worst part about the old system.  I'd go to bed with the game tied in the 10th only to find out the game went 15 and win or lose the bullpen was trashed and the fallout hurt the team for the next week.

[Moose Milligan]

1 minute ago, Can_of_corn said:

That was the worst part about the old system.  I'd go to bed with the game tied in the 10th only to find out the game went 15 and win or lose the bullpen was trashed and the fallout hurt the team for the next week.

Imagine wanting to see a 15 inning game because that’s the way we always did it. 

[dystopia]

6 minutes ago, Moose Milligan said:

Not really, no. 
 

It actually promotes small ball, that brand of baseball we’ve gotten away from over the past 25 years.  Now, everyone is homer happy. But right away in extra innings there’s incentive to get a bunt down and advance a runner. Or hit behind the runner. Or walk the leadoff batter to put a double play in order. It puts pressure on the defense. 
 
We root for a team that has a bullpen full of one inning guys, hardly any of them can go 2 or more if they had to. 
 

And you want the possibility of a game going past 11 innings?  Are you aware of how absolutely screwed we’d be if we had a game go 12 or 13 innings?  Or even more? The bullpen could take almost a week to recover from something like that. 
 

But it’s easier to be a boomer and say “it defiles the game,” whatever that means. It sounds like “we’ve always done it this way, we can’t change it,” which is a sure fire way to go nowhere. 

Games went past 11 innings for over a hundred years without a problem. 
 

And for the record I’m a Millenial. 

Edited June 25, 2023 by dystopia

[Moose Milligan]

1 minute ago, dystopia said:

Games went past 11 innings for over a hundred years without a problem. 
 

And for the record I’m a Millenial. 

Of course you are a millennial, I just laid out a problem with extra inning games and you didn’t address it because you had no answer for it. 

[Bemorewins]

2 minutes ago, dystopia said:

Games went past 11 innings for over a hundred years without a problem. 

But it's a different game now. A very good starter only goes 6 innings consistently now as compared to the majority of the game's history where your starters went much deeper. Also, every team now is filled with power armed relievers who only go 1 inning.

[Spakman]

I was always against changing the integrity of the game, but the rules have  made the game better and more enjoyable. I enjoyed knowing that the game will be over before 10 PM if they start at seven.