Jump to content

Hear me out…Austin Hays

Answerman

By Answerman
in Orioles Talk

 Share

Recommended Posts

Answerman Major Leaguer Cup of Coffee

Answerman

Posted
Posted

As the starting outfielder in this year’s All Star game, with multiple years of cheap control, is he our best trade chip? With Cowser’s arrival (granted batting average is not where it will be, but he’s having quality at bats and belongs in Baltimore), and Kjerstad kicking in the door, and trying to find at bats for Hicks and Santander and eventually Mullins, our outfield is really crowded. 
 

No doubt he is a good player, but would Austin’s production really be missed? Is it crazy to trade a starter during a playoff chase?

What kind of return would he fetch? Bednar? Another quality reliever? Would Miami send a young starter? Seems like any pitching we get for him would help the team more than keeping him. Am I nuts?

Link to comment
Share on other sites
  • Replies 37
  • Created
  • Last Reply

Top Posters In This Topic

Popular Days

Top Posters In This Topic

Popular Days

Popular Posts

RZNJ
RZNJ

Hays or Santander should get dealt in the off season.   I prefer to keep Santander over Hays.  No one is going anywhere this year.

wildcard
wildcard

If the O's want to get to the playoffs with a chance to win in the playoffs they keep Hays.    Mullins is out until who knows.   Hicks is injury prone and could be gone at any time.  Cowser is  s

Billy F-Face3
Billy F-Face3

The only way you can even entertain an idea like that during a World Series push, is if you’re getting an MVP or you’re multiplying All Stars that you're getting in return. You don't trade away k

ScGO's All-Star

ScGO's

Posted
Posted

Hays and Santander are probably both at peak value right now. It doesn't mean you trade them, but if Elias felt like the return made the team better this year then I'm all for it. Would have to be a return of pitching I would think

Link to comment
Share on other sites
  • Popular Post
wildcard Hangout Grand Counsel

wildcard

Posted
  • Popular Post
Posted (edited)

If the O's want to get to the playoffs with a chance to win in the playoffs they keep Hays.   

Mullins is out until who knows.   Hicks is injury prone and could be gone at any time.  Cowser is  still going through his adjustment to the majors. And Kjerstad has not even started that adjustment.

I believe Elias values Hays and will not trade him.    Instead he will be shopping Stowers, Prieto, and/or Norby for relievers is my guess.

Edited by wildcard
  • Upvote 5
Link to comment
Share on other sites
Pat Kelly Major Leaguer Cup of Coffee

Pat Kelly

Posted
Posted

Crazy idea - Austin Hays for Kyle Schwarber.  Phillies need RHH and OFers. Schwarber adds Homerun power, playoff experience would make the LH lineup especially when Mullins comes back the best in the league.   Doubt Philly would trade him though. 

Link to comment
Share on other sites
Billy F-Face3 Hangout Grand Counsel

Billy F-Face3

Posted
Posted

The only way you can even entertain an idea like that during a World Series push, is if you’re getting an MVP or you’re multiplying All Stars that you're getting in return.

You don't trade away key pieces and cornerstones of a team that with the 2nd best record in baseball unless you are multiplying that production. And even then, you are taking a risk because there's no guarantee the other players you get will perform the way they are expected, plus you are changing the locker room chemistry by trading away a key piece of the team. 

In other words, it's ill-advised and highly unlikely in a year like this. 

  • Upvote 2
Link to comment
Share on other sites
Bemorewins Hangout Grand Counsel

Bemorewins

Posted
Posted
10 minutes ago, Answerman said:

As the starting outfielder in this year’s All Star game, with multiple years of cheap control, is he our best trade chip? With Cowser’s arrival (granted batting average is not where it will be, but he’s having quality at bats and belongs in Baltimore), and Kjerstad kicking in the door, and trying to find at bats for Hicks and Santander and eventually Mullins, our outfield is really crowded. 
 

No doubt he is a good player, but would Austin’s production really be missed? Is it crazy to trade a starter during a playoff chase?

What kind of return would he fetch? Bednar? Another quality reliever? Would Miami send a young starter? Seems like any pitching we get for him would help the team more than keeping him. Am I nuts?

Absolutely yes!! 

Why would we (a team with the best record in the league and a realistic chance at a World Series) be willing to make our team worse this season in order to hedge for future seasons especially with a farm system this good?

I'm not going to call you nuts. But I think you are asking the wrong questions. We don't have a credible player to stand in for Hays and reliable give us an .800 OPS right now. Sure Cowser and Kjerstad COULD give us that kind of production. But that is a BIG RISK. 

  • Upvote 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites
connja Major Leaguer

connja

Posted
Posted
22 minutes ago, ScGO's said:

Hays and Santander are probably both at peak value right now. It doesn't mean you trade them, but if Elias felt like the return made the team better this year then I'm all for it. Would have to be a return of pitching I would think

We have a chance to win the World Series this year and these guys are our most productive players.  There is no way in hell either are getting traded.  While Cowser may be a great long term asset and ultimately replace one of these guys, he's clearly not ready to lead a playoff charge.  

Link to comment
Share on other sites
connja Major Leaguer

connja

Posted
Posted
12 minutes ago, Bemorewins said:

Absolutely yes!! 

Why would we (a team with the best record in the league and a realistic chance at a World Series) be willing to make our team worse this season in order to hedge for future seasons especially with a farm system this good?

I'm not going to call you nuts. But I think you are asking the wrong questions. We don't have a credible player to stand in for Hays and reliable give us an .800 OPS right now. Sure Cowser and Kjerstad COULD give us that kind of production. But that is a BIG RISK. 

Completely agree.  No chance these guys get traded this year.

Link to comment
Share on other sites
ShoelesJoe Major Leaguer

ShoelesJoe

Posted
Posted
16 minutes ago, Pat Kelly said:

Crazy idea - Austin Hays for Kyle Schwarber.  Phillies need RHH and OFers. Schwarber adds Homerun power, playoff experience would make the LH lineup especially when Mullins comes back the best in the league.   Doubt Philly would trade him though. 

Schwarber is making $20 million a year through 2025, and has next to no defensive value. Even w/o Mullins we have LH bats in Henderson, Cowser, and O'Hearn plus three switch hitters. I don't think we'll be adding any position players at the trade deadline, and almost certainly not any LH position players not named Ohtani. 

Link to comment
Share on other sites
OriolesMagic83 Hangout Grand Counsel

OriolesMagic83

Posted
Posted
20 minutes ago, Pat Kelly said:

Crazy idea - Austin Hays for Kyle Schwarber.  Phillies need RHH and OFers. Schwarber adds Homerun power, playoff experience would make the LH lineup especially when Mullins comes back the best in the league.   Doubt Philly would trade him though. 

Schwarber has a negative WAR due to his defense being so bad.  I can't see how replacing Hays good defense and great arm with Schwarber is going to help the O's.  O's need better OF defense not work.  I would like to see Santander getting most of his playing time at 1B/DH.  We don't need to add the worst OF in baseball to the O's OF.

Link to comment
Share on other sites
Can_of_corn Hangout Grand Counsel

Can_of_corn

Posted
Posted
2 minutes ago, OriolesMagic83 said:

Schwarber has a negative WAR due to his defense being so bad.  I can't see how replacing Hays good defense and great arm with Schwarber is going to help the O's.  O's need better OF defense not work.  I would like to see Santander getting most of his playing time at 1B/DH.  We don't need to add the worst OF in baseball to the O's OF.

His defense is bad and his offense really isn't that good.  OPS+ of 102, hitting .185 with an OBP of 310.  He'll give you dongs but very little else.

  • Upvote 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.

×
 Share
Go to topic listing

  • Posts

    • JimGinSP
      Who is the greatest living baseball player?

      By JimGinSP · Posted

      I’m not going to deny it, when watching the Mays tributes and they spoke of the kid from Alabama  who could do it all, my thoughts drifted to the Orioles young star.  I had to remind myself of how Griffey Jr. and now Trout faded after generating breathless excitement in the first portion of their careers.  It can be a cruel game.
    • Roll Tide
      Basallo for Crochet?

      By Roll Tide · Posted

      I think he will ultimately end up too big, 
    • sportsfan8703
      Jordan Westburg 2024

      By sportsfan8703 · Posted

      A big 4 hit game. 2nd highest OPS on the team at .853.  If we didn’t have Adley, or Gunnar, everyone would be walking around in Westburg jerseys. 
    • gtman55
      I sort of don't get Elias's plan

      By gtman55 · Posted

      First of all, I'm talking about his plan for the Orioles moving forward. I get what the front office was doing early on. Turning around a very bad team by drafting high, picking high upside college hitters the might quickly improve the club. And he's done a helluva job drafting positional talent. But I never understood his reluctance to draft top end college pitching talent. So what we have is a minor league system system of super talented hitters who are blocked from making the bigs because there's literally too many of them. On the flip side there's little to no major league quality pitching talent at all. Fast forward to this off-season. Elias knew damn well the odds of Means and Bradish missing significant time was pretty much 100%. We already had lost Felix for the upcoming season and Wells has a long injury history.  He also had to know Cano wasn't the heir apparent at closer or even a high leverage guy. So what does he do? He brings in an aging Kimbrel to close. And we get Burnes. And believe me, I like Burnes but that wasn't nearly enough for a team with World Series aspirations. And now in late June, it's coming unglued. The pitching injuries are mounting. Guys like Irvin and Suarez are showing they just don't have what it takes. We choose our best minor league arm and it's Cade Povich. I like the kid but he's a fifth starter at best. I guess my main question in this is whether or not Elias realizes how mediocre the pitching staff currently is. And he needs to make moves ASAP because I can see things unraveling. We have the biggest surplus of trade bait in the MLB. At a minimum we need a top end starter and a top notch reliever. Time is ticking       
    • sportsfan8703
      Why not Chayce McDermott?

      By sportsfan8703 · Posted

      I know it seems counterintuitive to go to a six man rotation when we might not have 5 SP, but we’re seeing the reason that we tried to do the 6 man rotation with the Povich promotion before Bradish’s injury.  I say promote McDermott. Go to a 6 man rotation. That will help the other 5 SP. Replace one of Suarez/McDermott when Kremer comes back in 10ish days. 
    • baltfan
      Coby Mayo 2024

      By baltfan · Posted

      Bundy when he had the hitless streak was amazing 
    • sportsfan8703
      Orioles add Garrett Cooper on MIL deal

      By sportsfan8703 · Posted

      This move is like when we signed Julio Tehrehan a few weeks ago. We even need guys in AAA to get us through the AAA season. Deep deep depth for the MLB team.  I don’t hear anyone talking about the outrage of blocking TT Bowens from 1B in AAA. 

  • Popular Contributors

×
×
  • Create New...