Cease vs everyone else

[DrinkinWithFermi]

2 minutes ago, joe42 said:

My thinking is Woo or Miller. No way will it be Castillo.

Trading Woo or Miller wouldn't help their financial situation, which has been reported to be not so good at present due to RSN issues (IIRC) and already led to the Eugenio Suarez salary dump to AZ earlier this offseason.

[emmett16]

5 hours ago, Roll Tide said:

If you’re not trading Povich then he might as well not be attempting to trade. I can understand protecting your top 5. But, you need to trade quality to get quality.

We have a ton of quality.  I don’t  see them trading pitching.  It’s what they need.  

[DrinkinWithFermi]

1 minute ago, emmett16 said:

We have a ton of quality.  I don’t  see them trading pitching.  It’s what they need.  

Teams want some young pitching in the return for their trade bait and many of the teams nibbling right now, like the Dodgers and Reds, have young pitching to offer.

If we are going to compete in the trade marketplace for a notable starter, it may require us to part with a Povich or McDermott. 

[emmett16]

35 minutes ago, DrinkinWithFermi said:

Teams want some young pitching in the return for their trade bait and many of the teams nibbling right now, like the Dodgers and Reds, have young pitching to offer.

If we are going to compete in the trade marketplace for a notable starter, it may require us to part with a Povich or McDermott. 

I get that.  Just don’t see them doing it. 
 

I’m thinking Shane Bieber for one of our outfielders fits their goals/objectives. 

Edited December 31, 2023 by emmett16

[DrinkinWithFermi]

Just now, emmett16 said:

I get that.  Just don’t see them doing it. 

I think that's probably right, but if Povich or McDermott can help us land a Luzardo type guy, who's a 26 year old TORish SP and has 3 years of control, I would hope that we would be willing to pull the trigger.

[btdart20]

1 hour ago, DrinkinWithFermi said:

There has been some recent reporting that the M's may need to cut payroll and therefore Castillo might actually be the SP that they end up shopping, and there is no way JA agrees to take on his remaining 4 year, ~$90 million guarantee and $25 million dollar vesting option.

I think Elias has some degree of payroll flexibility.  Maybe not $20m for one SP but permitting ourselves that hope:

When Frankie Montas signs for $16m and Giolito for $19m, Castillo for $20 per is a good deal over the next few years.

The SigBot might see that it splits the FA costs, prospect costs, and raises the floor/ceiling of the rotation.  I wonder if Westburg and Hays (or Mountcastle) and Shark gets it done?

[emmett16]

1 minute ago, DrinkinWithFermi said:

I think that's probably right, but if Povich or McDermott can help us land a Luzardo type guy, who's a 26 year old TORish SP and has 3 years of control, I would hope that we would be willing to pull the trigger.

I think the service time piece is huge for ME.  I don’t see him giving 6 years of pitching for 2 is 1.  3 and it start to get intriguing.  

[Can_of_corn]

2 minutes ago, emmett16 said:

I think the service time piece is huge for ME.  I don’t see him giving 6 years of pitching for 2 is 1.  3 and it start to get intriguing.  

Even if they stay health neither Povich or McDermott is anything close to a lock to even have a six year MLB career.

 

[emmett16]

1 minute ago, Can_of_corn said:

Even if they stay health neither Povich or McDermott is anything close to a lock to even have a six year MLB career.

 

Maybe not. But I’m sure it plays into their thinking.  I just don’t see them trading away players they identified and traded for.  

[Can_of_corn]

7 minutes ago, emmett16 said:

Maybe not. But I’m sure it plays into their thinking.  I just don’t see them trading away players they identified and traded for.  

It's going to be hard to acquire #1-3 pitcher if you aren't willing to sign expensive free agents or trade guys.

[Frobby]

2 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

It's going to be hard to acquire #1-3 pitcher if you aren't willing to sign expensive free agents or trade guys.

Grow them!  Like Brarish and Rodriguez.  

[Can_of_corn]

1 minute ago, Frobby said:

Grow them!  Like Brarish and Rodriguez.  

In time for opening day? 

 

[Pickles]

4 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

In time for opening day? 

 

They won't be on the OD roster?

[Can_of_corn]

2 minutes ago, Pickles said:

They won't be on the OD roster?

So the idea isn't to add another #1-#3?

[Frobby]

6 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

In time for opening day? 

 

Sure.   Just have an existing guy step up his game.   Simple.