Wade Miley

[Frobby]

If Elias wants to upgrade from Kyle Gibson without handing out a long term deal, Wade Miley is an option.  Miley has a career ERA+ of 104, but he’s been at 131 from 2018-23.   Those seasons have looked like this: 159, 126, 88, 139, 133, 133, 137.  The only season below average was the short 2020 season.

Now I’ll say that I really didn’t like Miley when he was with us for part of 2016 and all of 2017.  He had a 75 ERA+ for us  and on top of that, I never liked his body language or his demeanor.  But he’s been fantastic ever since then.   He’s a little more fragile than a guy like Gibson or Lyles, but he’s a quality pitcher.   And, he’s a lefty who should benefit from the change in the LF dimensions since he was here.

So, if Elias were to sign Miley and say that was the type of upgrade he was looking for, I’d probably be okay with it.

 

[RZNJ]

1 hour ago, Frobby said:

If Elias wants to upgrade from Kyle Gibson without handing out a long term deal, Wade Miley is an option.  Miley has a career ERA+ of 104, but he’s been at 131 from 2018-23.   Those seasons have looked like this: 159, 126, 88, 139, 133, 133, 137.  The only season below average was the short 2020 season.

Now I’ll say that I really didn’t like Miley when he was with us for part of 2016 and all of 2017.  He had a 75 ERA+ for us  and on top of that, I never liked his body language or his demeanor.  But he’s been fantastic ever since then.   He’s a little more fragile than a guy like Gibson or Lyles, but he’s a quality pitcher.   And, he’s a lefty who should benefit from the change in the LF dimensions since he was here.

So, if Elias were to sign Miley and say that was the type of upgrade he was looking for, I’d probably be okay with it.

 

Feels like an older, LH version of Kremer.  You make a good case but I wouldn’t be ok with it.  I’d rather just run Irvin out there.  

[FlaO'sFan]

I was ready to say...'NO...what the hell are you smoking?', from my memory of his time here before. Had no idea of his recent ERA+, though, so I am at least reconsidering.  If we are going to be severely limited budget wise again, sounds like it wouldn't be the worst choice.

Edited November 22, 2023 by FlaO'sFan

[Frobby]

2 minutes ago, FlaO'sFan said:

I was ready to say...'NO...what the hell are you smoking?', from my memory of his time here before. Had no idea of his recent ERA+, though, so I am at least reconsidering.  If we are going to be severely limited budget wise again, sounds like it wouldn't be the worst choice.

He definitely was bad here.  Of course, we had a short LF fence and an ineffective pitching coach, were behind in analytics, etc.  it’s a different environment.  

[dystopia]

38 minutes ago, Frobby said:

He definitely was bad here.  Of course, we had a short LF fence and an ineffective pitching coach, were behind in analytics, etc.  it’s a different environment.  

Who was that PC? I forget 

[wildcard]

6 minutes ago, dystopia said:

Who was that PC? I forget 

Rick Adair in 2016.  Roger McDowell in 2017.

[dystopia]

13 minutes ago, wildcard said:

Rick Adair in 2016.  Roger McDowell in 2017.

Oh yeah, Rick Adair was bad. 

[bpilktree]

Solid no for me.  You either upgrade for a better starter or you getting a serious innings eater and Miley does neither of those things.  He has made 31 starts the last 2 years combined and averages less then 5 innings in those starts.  

[Sports Guy]

Way to aim low.

[sportsfan8703]

If we’re on Miley we should just pay the prospect price and get Quintana. If healthy, Wade Miley would be Jose Quintana’s floor with possibly Jordan Montgomery as his ceiling.

I’m not sure what the Mets would want. Buck certainly picked up a lot of former members of the O’s org, but he’s not there.  Maybe some of his influence is still there though. 

[CaptainRedbeard]

Hopefully the Cardinals sign him to save the Orioles from themselves. Miley’s really outperformed his peripherals for ~300 innings over the past 3 years. I’m not interested in betting on that again at age 37. 

If the Orioles are going to be cheap and only want 1-2 year deals (and they probably are), I’d much rather target someone with upside and injury questions like Montas or Mahle or even Severino or Paxton. Even someone like Giolito or Flaherty who are young but had rough platform seasons could find a light market and look for a deal with the ability to re-enter free agency next year. We’ve got enough options to eat innings now. 

[Frobby]

14 hours ago, wildcard said:

Rick Adair in 2016.  Roger McDowell in 2017.

No, Rick Adair preceded Dave Wallace, who served as PC 2014-16.   Then McDowell arrived.  I see that BB-ref lists Adair as the PC both before and after Wallace, but that’s wrong.  

[Frobby]

12 hours ago, Sports Guy said:

Way to aim low.

So explain why getting a guy with a 131 ERA+ the last five years is aiming low.  

[forphase1]

At first I was like 'Heck no!' simply remembering his previous stint with the O's.  But looking into his numbers he's been solid for a while now.   I don't want him as our only move to shore up the rotation, but as a second piece I'd take him. 

[oriole]

2 hours ago, Frobby said:

So explain why getting a guy with a 131 ERA+ the last five years is aiming low.  

I wouldn’t do it just based on his previous Orioles tenure. I get that he has done much better since then, but he wasn’t just bad here, he was absolutely atrocious.