Elias: Holliday on OD roster is “definitely a strong possibility”

[Moose Milligan]

5 hours ago, Sports Guy said:

Wait until June…gain the extra year and likely don’t lose the year like you did Adley because it’s not which games played. 
 

That’s the best way to maximize his value.

So then this would be kind of the opposite of being on the OD roster. 
 

Elias says he’s got a shot at the OD roster but of course he’s going to say that.  He wouldn’t NOT say that. 

[RZNJ]

4 hours ago, Aristotelian said:

Hm, I feel like we've heard "definitely strong possibility" language from Elias before about stuff that never happened.  Can't put a finger on specific examples though. All I get out of that is that it hasn't been ruled out, which I guess is something. 

I wish you’d put your finger on it because that would both be interesting and refresh my memory.

 

[IPlayGM]

I guess my point is he has nothing to gain by saying this except not putting him on the roster and pissing everybody off. To me, at this point if he plays well in spring training he will make it. Now defining “well” is probably the next thing to figure out.

[Moose Milligan]

This is all really silly, too. 

[emmett16]

Believe our LHH second-baseman comes from in house this year.  

[Frobby]

8 hours ago, Spy Fox said:

It’s also consistent with how Grayson was handled last year. 

And, I think, consistent with how Adley would have been handled the year before if not for his injury. 

Adley was clearly going to be better than his competition.  It’s not as clear that Holliday is ready to be better than the guys he’ll be competing with.  But he’ll have the chance to prove that he is.  

[RZNJ]

17 minutes ago, Frobby said:

Adley was clearly going to be better than his competition.  It’s not as clear that Holliday is ready to be better than the guys he’ll be competing with.  But he’ll have the chance to prove that he is.  

Now, can someone ask him the same question about Mayo?   One would assume that if Holliday makes the team, most of his time is at 2B and SS with Henderson at SS and 3B and Westburg at 2B and 3B.   Does that leave enough time for another player like Mayo or do the O’s rotate Ortiz or Urias into the mix in a lesser utility role?

[Tony-OH]

The real question is what does Elias have to gain by being consistent about this? Is he making sure teams know that Westburg, Ortiz and Norby are available? One would think teams already should know this.

Elias is calculated and smart. There is an ulterior motive to "show" his cards like this. This in an organization that treats an injury on a FCL player like it's a state secret. Why so open about their plans for Holliday? 

Don't get me wrong, I don't believe for a second Holliday will make this team on OD unless Westburg AND Ortiz are moved this offseason, but it does make me ponder the why, more than taking anything else out of these statements.

 

[emmett16]

1 minute ago, RZNJ said:

Now, can someone ask him the same question about Mayo?   One would assume that if Holliday makes the team, most of his time is at 2B and SS with Henderson at SS and 3B and Westburg at 2B and 3B.   Does that leave enough time for another player like Mayo or do the O’s rotate Ortiz or Urias into the mix in a lesser utility role?

I think Mayo is trade bait for a high end acquisition.  They aren’t gonna trade Holliday or Basallo, if they want a legit stud player it’s going to cost and I think Mayo is the price.  

[Tony-OH]

10 hours ago, SilverRocket said:

I just don't think there's any way they'd have promoted him that quickly if they're thinking August to preserve rookie status. June to get the extra year, sure.

What if they felt he needs AAA PAs to really develop? Each player is different and maybe they felt it doesn't make sense to keep him at the lower levels because he can just dominate those kinds of players? 

Holliday very well may be promoted before August, but if there's no need on the big league club, it makes sense long term to give him that development time in AAA and financially for the club because it breaks his free agency up with Gunnar's by two years. 

[RZNJ]

16 minutes ago, emmett16 said:

I think Mayo is trade bait for a high end acquisition.  They aren’t gonna trade Holliday or Basallo, if they want a legit stud player it’s going to cost and I think Mayo is the price.  

I guess it depends on the “stud” player you’re talking about.   I don’t think Mayo or Basallo go anywhere.    I’d be surprised to see Westburg go too.   One of Cowser/Kjerstad and Norby/Ortiz and then even someone like Bradfield/Beavers should bring back plenty.

[wildcard]

31 minutes ago, Tony-OH said:

The real question is what does Elias have to gain by being consistent about this? Is he making sure teams know that Westburg, Ortiz and Norby are available? One would think teams already should know this.

Elias is calculated and smart. There is an ulterior motive to "show" his cards like this. This in an organization that treats an injury on a FCL player like it's a state secret. Why so open about their plans for Holliday? 

Don't get me wrong, I don't believe for a second Holliday will make this team on OD unless Westburg AND Ortiz are moved this offseason, but it does make me ponder the why, more than taking anything else out of these statements.

 

Maybe Elias is trying to sell season ticket?   Having the minor league player of the year on the team may put some butts in seats.

[Can_of_corn]

2 minutes ago, wildcard said:

Maybe Elias is trying to sell season ticket?   Having the minor league player of the year on the team may put some butts in seats.

I'm trying to picture the person for whom that would be the tipping point.

[wildcard]

35 minutes ago, emmett16 said:

I think Mayo is trade bait for a high end acquisition.  They aren’t gonna trade Holliday or Basallo, if they want a legit stud player it’s going to cost and I think Mayo is the price.  

I think Mountcastle and O'Hearn go before Mayo.  Mayo could be a 35- 40 HR guy.

[RZNJ]

2 minutes ago, wildcard said:

I think Mountcastle and O'Hearn go before Mayo.  Mayo could be a 35- 40 HR guy.

The chances of Mayo going in a trade for a stud player is unlikely but plausible.  O’Hearn and Mountcastle wouldn’t be main pieces in such a trade.  Mayo could.