Would you trade Gunnar Henderson for George Kirby or Spencer Strider?

[Just Regular]

Market check comparing some of MLB's best Young with Experience players.

[dystopia]

Are we trying for the first unanimous poll

in OH history?

[LookinUp]

Judging by the vote, we’re either homers or we’d prefer the lower risk of position players over pitchers.

For me, it’s the latter and I think it colors my opinions over how much I’d give up for a 2-year pitcher. 

[Spy Fox]

I'll break the seal. I chose Strider and seriously considered choosing both. 

Strider is Gerrit Cole but 25 years old. He probably has the single best SP forecast of the next five years in MLB.

Gunnar could be an MVP candidate, I know, but we have Holliday, Mayo, Ortiz, and Westburg for the infield. I think this trade would improve our pitching more than it would damage our offense.  

[Brooks The Great]

No chance. Gunnar has the best chance of the three for a Hall of Fame career.

[dystopia]

8 minutes ago, Spy Fox said:

I'll break the seal. I chose Strider and seriously considered choosing both. 

Strider is Gerrit Cole but 25 years old. He probably has the single best SP forecast of the next five years in MLB.

Gunnar could be an MVP candidate, I know, but we have Holliday, Mayo, Ortiz, and Westburg for the infield. I think this trade would improve our pitching more than it would damage our offense.  

If I had to do one I’d do Strider. I’m not a fan of Kirby and haven’t been since he complained about NOT being taken out of a game. 

[jabba72]

I voted yes because both Strider and Kirby have 5 years of control and look like bonafide aces to me. 

I like Gunnar of course but Elias has built up depth behind him. Westburg or Ortiz could move into SS with Mayo sliding into 3B. Works for me.

[Can_of_corn]

6 minutes ago, Brooks The Great said:

No chance. Gunnar has the best chance of the three for a Hall of Fame career.

Not saying I'd make the deal but this is a bizarre argument.

The goal is to win the World Series not collect guys that played here for six seasons of a HoF career.

 

Edit-In hindsight I would have traded Manny in 2014 for a ring and a TOR pitcher.

 

Edited January 25 by Can_of_corn

[jabba72]

5 minutes ago, Brooks The Great said:

No chance. Gunnar has the best chance of the three for a Hall of Fame career.

He'll end up like Machado most likely, probably even less willing to sign an extension than Manny was. Im glad we have him still.

[Sports Guy]

I would only consider Kirby but no.  I think Strider is a bigger injury concern.

The only thing that causes me to potentially say yes is that we likely only have Gunnar for 5 more years…of course, that doesn’t mean we sign a pitcher either.

But ultimately I say no because of the injury factor.

[Can_of_corn]

3 minutes ago, jabba72 said:

I voted yes because both Strider and Kirby have 5 years of control and look like bonafide aces to me. 

I like Gunnar of course but Elias has built up depth behind him. Westburg or Ortiz could move into SS with Mayo sliding into 3B. Works for me.

Don't the Braves have an option for 29?

[Just Regular]

I think my answer is Neither One like many of the early respondents but those are the guys that'd get me to think.    Maybe this decade we just lean into the Bats side of baseball's essential pitcher v. hitter contest.

I'm sure Elias is trying to give three quarters and a dime for a buck, but 1:1 with high value players can provide balance in one fell swoop and then you don't have to spend years conducting 3-4 tiresome negotiations.    Pablo Lopez-Luis Arraez type trades sometimes occur, granting this would be more than that.     Both the Braves and Mariners have a notable SS/3B opening.

Maybe the poll would have been better if it was Adley not Gunnar.

It feels a bit to me like the board overvalues Gunnar relative to Adley as the franchise player character for the moment.     With very good luck Holliday may have a shot to set them to Pippen-Grant status.

[jabba72]

5 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

Don't the Braves have an option for 29?

Year	Age	Tm	Salary	SrvTm	Sources	Notes/Other Sources
Career to date (may be incomplete)			$1,000,000	Does not include future salaries ($69M)
2023	24	Atlanta Braves	$1,000,000	1.003
2024	25	Atlanta Braves	$1,000,000	2.003
2025	26	Atlanta Braves	$4,000,000
2026	27	Atlanta Braves	$20,000,000
2027	28	Atlanta Braves	$22,000,000
2028	29	Atlanta Braves	$22,000,000
2029	30	Atlanta Braves	*$22,000,000		$22M Team Option, $5M Buyout
		Earliest Free Agent: 2029

 

Yeah looks like they do. What a great contract.

[Malike]

I think the hangup is trading Henderson for a SP. Strider and Kirby are both frontline starters, but they play once a week. It's a tough pill to swallow losing a guy that can help you every day for a pitcher.

[Moose Milligan]

Nope