The 2024 Trade Deadline

[sportsfan8703]

3 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

I just don't see how their view has any more importance than what Sports guy thinks.

Oddsmakers have the ultimate incentive. Money. They want their lines to be as accurate as possible. 

If you ever see a line that’s “off” please let me know. Haha

Edited July 25 by sportsfan8703

[SoxFan3344]

1 hour ago, Just Regular said:

He'd be very expensive, but Eloy Jimenez or Justin Turner...assuming we covet a RH veteran and trust Cowser in CF.

As a Sox fan - you don’t want Eloy 

[sportsfan8703]

Just now, SoxFan3344 said:

As a Sox fan - you don’t want Eloy 

What are the expectations for the return on Fedde?

[bpilktree67]

8 minutes ago, sportsfan8703 said:

Playing just over .500 ball for 50 games will do that. 

We got some flaws. 

We are 29-21 the last 50 games for .600 baseball.  We have struggled the last 28 games 12-16 but before that we were 17-5.  

[Can_of_corn]

1 minute ago, sportsfan8703 said:

Oddsmakers have the ultimate incentive. Money. They want their lines to be as accurate as possible. 

If you ever see a line that’s “off” please let me know. Haha

But if they don't have any additional sources of data?

Also, I think they want their lines to maximize action.  For instance Yankee players tend to attract more action and that action changes the odds.

[OnlyOneOriole]

46 minutes ago, Roll Tide said:

 

I really don't see any point in trading Mullins.  For what you would get back?  I would rather have him as a backup and take the chance that he can reclaim some former glory.  That being said by no means should he be blocking or starting over one of the young prospects.  But a solid bench guy?

 

Sure.

Edited July 25 by OnlyOneOriole

[interloper]

3 minutes ago, sportsfan8703 said:

Oddsmakers have the ultimate incentive. Money. They want their lines to be as accurate as possible. 

If you ever see a line that’s “off” please let me know. Haha

But it's just speculation. They don't have inside trade rumor info or something.

[SoxFan3344]

Just now, sportsfan8703 said:

What are the expectations for the return on Fedde?

I’ve heard anywhere from reclamation projects like Jordan Walker to a top 50 prospect, he’s been really solid this year and the Heymans/Nightengale saying he probably wouldn’t start a playoff series is batsh*t he would be a lot of teams 2nd best starter based on how he’s pitched this year and with the amount of injuries too.

[sportsfan8703]

4 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

But if they don't have any additional sources of data?

Also, I think they want their lines to maximize action.  For instance Yankee players tend to attract more action and that action changes the odds.

They have sources of data. We just don’t know them. Real insiders. 

All the small shop gambling sites you see are backed by the Vegas casinos like MGM, Caesar’s, Bally’s, Harrah’s, etc…. They just don’t go by those names. 

So like that small MD book, is probably backed by one of the big boys. Just using their internal lines. 

[interloper]

A part of me wonders if Elias is looking at this team objectively and seeing that 3 of his starters are lost to injury, his closer stinks, the offense and defense came back down to earth, his bullpen is a mess, his two top pitching prospects are not going to give him much this year... And maybe he's thinking, ehhh it might just not be our year, better keep all the assets. 

I don't think that's necessarily the case, but you have to wonder how many moves it would take to really give this team a fighting chance in the playoffs, and is it worth it to Elias to move that many prospects in order to do that.

[OnlyOneOriole]

9 minutes ago, bpilktree67 said:

We are 29-21 the last 50 games for .600 baseball.  We have struggled the last 28 games 12-16 but before that we were 17-5.  

I mean I could go back and say we are 175 and 100 over the last 275 games.  I don't know if that is true I am just saying....we can extrapolate and bend any number to our pleasure.  

The more poignant fact is this team has struggled pitching wise since Bradish got hurt, and batting wise since May or so.   There are more red flags flying over this team than in China right now. 

Obviously the injuries to the pitching staff have killed us since last August or so, but no one expected the hitting to become so home run dependent.  We just don't 'create runs'.   We bash for them.  And you can't win a WS that way.  But we have fallen into this trap again.   Especially after we made such strides in that regard (OBP)  the past 2 years.  But we have regressed big time and when you combine that with bad pitching?

 

We have what we have.  A middling team the past 45 days. 

Edited July 25 by OnlyOneOriole

[Three Run Homer]

Rumor has it that we are open to trading Mountcastle.  Rumor also has it that we want to trade for a veteran bat.   Is there any scenario where it would make sense to do both?  

[Can_of_corn]

Just now, Three Run Homer said:

Rumor has it that we are open to trading Mountcastle.  Rumor also has it that we want to trade for a veteran bat.   Is there any scenario where it would make sense to do both?  

We could trade Mountcastle for Mountcastle.

Bet we could get him cheap.

[OnlyOneOriole]

1 minute ago, interloper said:

A part of me wonders if Elias is looking at this team objectively and seeing that 3 of his starters are lost to injury, his closer stinks, the offense and defense came back down to earth, his bullpen is a mess, his two top pitching prospects are not going to give him much this year... And maybe he's thinking, ehhh it might just not be our year, better keep all the assets. 

I don't think that's necessarily the case, but you have to wonder how many moves it would take to really give this team a fighting chance in the playoffs, and is it worth it to Elias to move that many prospects in order to do that.

It;s possible.  And if he thinks that way?  I wouldn't blame him.  The pitching injuries especially absolutely crushed us.  Not just for this year but next as well. 

[sportsfan8703]

2 minutes ago, interloper said:

A part of me wonders if Elias is looking at this team objectively and seeing that 3 of his starters are lost to injury, his closer stinks, the offense and defense came back down to earth, his bullpen is a mess, his two top pitching prospects are not going to give him much this year... And maybe he's thinking, ehhh it might just not be our year, better keep all the assets. 

I don't think that's necessarily the case, but you have to wonder how many moves it would take to really give this team a fighting chance in the playoffs, and is it worth it to Elias to move that many prospects in order to do that.

I was thinking the same thing stuck on 295 earlier. Maybe we don’t fire one of the big 3 at this team.