2024 MLB Draft Chat

[Malike]

Could Brecht possibly be there in the 60s? I'd say no way. 

 

EDIT: Saw he's gone, had to go do stuff.

Edited July 15 by Malike

[LookitsPuck]

Just now, Malike said:

Could Brecht possibly be there in the 60s? I'd say no way. 

Gotta ask the Rockies bout that

[ChosenOne21]

1 hour ago, PeteCanes said:

You want them to draft baseball players based on need?  That’s based.  

Honestly? When you completely ignore half the game of baseball like the Orioles have been doing with pitching, yes.

We're buried in position players and there were some perfectly great options available there. It's not like Brecht or Caminiti were reaches there.

And what really gets me is Brecht was available with their second pick, but apparently we needed Cayden Greiner 2.0

[Malike]

3 minutes ago, ChosenOne21 said:

Honestly? When you completely ignore half the game of baseball like the Orioles have been doing with pitching, yes.

We're buried in position players and there were some perfectly great options available there. It's not like Brecht or Caminiti were reaches there.

And what really gets me is Brecht was available with their second pick, but apparently we needed Cayden Greiner 2.0

They don't ignore it, they drafted a ton of pitchers last year, they ignore it in the first/comp rounds, it appears.

[justD]

Wondering about why not select pitchers, it sometimes has to do with how talented the year’s draft is overall. Doesn’t make sense to select a pitcher just for the sake of it, if there’s really no talent there to choose from.

Here’s a little blurb from Fangraphs about this year’s draft class that kinda reflects this:

[ChosenOne21]

2 minutes ago, Malike said:

They don't ignore it, they drafted a ton of pitchers last year, they ignore it in the first/comp rounds, it appears.

Yeah, and how's that working out for them?

[Orioles Jim]

 

Could be worse!

[Moose Milligan]

2 minutes ago, ChosenOne21 said:

Honestly? When you completely ignore half the game of baseball like the Orioles have been doing with pitching, yes.

Yeah, but if you've been paying attention (clearly, you have been) it's apparent as to what they're doing.

Pitching is harder to draft and develop, O'Dowd said it on the broadcast himself.  

It's very simple:  the Orioles want to hit on as many draft picks as they possibly can.  That's it, that's the entire goal.  Not to draft for a need.

And to do that, in order to stack the decks in their favor, they're going to take hitters.  And they're going to develop hitters.  

And then they're going to trade for pitchers like Corbin Burnes, a guy you can get for a year without having to give up your absolute elite talent.  

If anyone here has been paying attention to what Elias does and what Elias believes in, the goal is to maximize talent and retain payroll flexibility.  They're not going to give massive contracts for a pitcher only to have that pitcher on the IL for 18 months while they recover from TJ.  

Draft the bats, buy some of the pitching for not a lot of time so you're not caught giving 20-30 million a year to a guy who's on the shelf.  Some will call that risk adverse but in the MLB landscape today, I don't mind a team trying to navigate payroll and navigate landing on an expensive guy who needs TJ.  Let the Yankees do that.

This all ignores the international scouting and draft.  IIRC, you can probably get more arms for cheaper that way and hopefully hit on some lottery tickets.  I wouldn't be surprised if pitchers come through the system that don't come from the draft but do come from efforts in South America.

 

[RZNJ]

When we look back in 1-2 years there’s going to be a ton of misses after pick 10.   I’m not crazy about either pick but it all comes down to actual performance.  According to the MLB show everyone is great and almost every team made a great pick.   

[Rbiggs2525]

1 minute ago, Moose Milligan said:

Yeah, but if you've been paying attention (clearly, you have been) it's apparent as to what they're doing.

Pitching is harder to draft and develop, O'Dowd said it on the broadcast himself.  

It's very simple:  the Orioles want to hit on as many draft picks as they possibly can.  That's it, that's the entire goal.  Not to draft for a need.

And to do that, in order to stack the decks in their favor, they're going to take hitters.  And they're going to develop hitters.  

And then they're going to trade for pitchers like Corbin Burnes, a guy you can get for a year without having to give up your absolute elite talent.  

If anyone here has been paying attention to what Elias does and what Elias believes in, the goal is to maximize talent and retain payroll flexibility.  They're not going to give massive contracts for a pitcher only to have that pitcher on the IL for 18 months while they recover from TJ.  

Draft the bats, buy some of the pitching for not a lot of time so you're not caught giving 20-30 million a year to a guy who's on the shelf.  Some will call that risk adverse but in the MLB landscape today, I don't mind a team trying to navigate payroll and navigate landing on an expensive guy who needs TJ.  Let the Yankees do that.

This all ignores the international scouting and draft.  IIRC, you can probably get more arms for cheaper that way and hopefully hit on some lottery tickets.  I wouldn't be surprised if pitchers come through the system that don't come from the draft but do come from efforts in South America.

 

This works as long as you are willing to spend on pitching. 

[Can_of_corn]

2 minutes ago, Orioles Jim said:

 

Could be worse!

That's a lot of strikeouts.

[Malike]

4 minutes ago, ChosenOne21 said:

Yeah, and how's that working out for them?

It's been a year, who do you think I am, Kreskin?

Oh, you think guys drafted in 2023 should all be contributing in 2024, you were serious.

[ChosenOne21]

1 minute ago, Moose Milligan said:

Yeah, but if you've been paying attention (clearly, you have been) it's apparent as to what they're doing.

Pitching is harder to draft and develop, O'Dowd said it on the broadcast himself.  

It's very simple:  the Orioles want to hit on as many draft picks as they possibly can.  That's it, that's the entire goal.  Not to draft for a need.

And to do that, in order to stack the decks in their favor, they're going to take hitters.  And they're going to develop hitters.  

And then they're going to trade for pitchers like Corbin Burnes, a guy you can get for a year without having to give up your absolute elite talent.  

If anyone here has been paying attention to what Elias does and what Elias believes in, the goal is to maximize talent and retain payroll flexibility.  They're not going to give massive contracts for a pitcher only to have that pitcher on the IL for 18 months while they recover from TJ.  

Draft the bats, buy some of the pitching for not a lot of time so you're not caught giving 20-30 million a year to a guy who's on the shelf.  Some will call that risk adverse but in the MLB landscape today, I don't mind a team trying to navigate payroll and navigate landing on an expensive guy who needs TJ.  Let the Yankees do that.

This all ignores the international scouting and draft.  IIRC, you can probably get more arms for cheaper that way and hopefully hit on some lottery tickets.  I wouldn't be surprised if pitchers come through the system that don't come from the draft but do come from efforts in South America.

 

Fine. I'll eat my hat if they actually clear this logjam for good pitching at the deadline.

That said, at what point do you look at the state of organizational pitching and say, "Hey, this isn't working." Teams don't seem to be falling over themselves to trade top tier pitching for a couple of outfield prospects, even good ones. Heck, we couldn't even get Burnes without giving up pitching talent.

Teams seem to want pitching to trade pitching. If you don't have much in the way of pitching to begin with...

[Can_of_corn]

2 minutes ago, Moose Milligan said:

Yeah, but if you've been paying attention (clearly, you have been) it's apparent as to what they're doing.

Pitching is harder to draft and develop, O'Dowd said it on the broadcast himself.  

It's very simple:  the Orioles want to hit on as many draft picks as they possibly can.  That's it, that's the entire goal.  Not to draft for a need.

And to do that, in order to stack the decks in their favor, they're going to take hitters.  And they're going to develop hitters.  

And then they're going to trade for pitchers like Corbin Burnes, a guy you can get for a year without having to give up your absolute elite talent.  

If anyone here has been paying attention to what Elias does and what Elias believes in, the goal is to maximize talent and retain payroll flexibility.  They're not going to give massive contracts for a pitcher only to have that pitcher on the IL for 18 months while they recover from TJ.  

Draft the bats, buy some of the pitching for not a lot of time so you're not caught giving 20-30 million a year to a guy who's on the shelf.  Some will call that risk adverse but in the MLB landscape today, I don't mind a team trying to navigate payroll and navigate landing on an expensive guy who needs TJ.  Let the Yankees do that.

This all ignores the international scouting and draft.  IIRC, you can probably get more arms for cheaper that way and hopefully hit on some lottery tickets.  I wouldn't be surprised if pitchers come through the system that don't come from the draft but do come from efforts in South America.

 

But you have to give up 12 years of service time for one year.

That's not sustainable in the long run.

[Moose Milligan]

Just now, Can_of_corn said:

But you have to give up 12 years of service time for one year.

That's not sustainable in the long run.

I don't know if they're going to do that every year.  But I think if there's another guy in a year or two that's like Burnes, they'll do it again.