We have a year and a half of mediocre pitching ahead of us....until that changes we are going no where. Come at me Bro.....

[HowAboutThat]

11 minutes ago, Roll Tide said:

Yes …just don’t agree! We have had plenty of good pitching. 4 TJ surgeries can hinder just about any team. Our bullpen has been a strength before the Bautista injury. He’s picked up guys like Webb, Cionel, Bautista, Cano, and they’ve been mostly effective. 

The basic point is that we have had good pitching, yes, and we’ve had a lot of depth, but not right now.

The depth is gone because of injuries and the guys we have now are not very good. The question is whether we’re going to address that in a meaningful way. I’ve already commented on that in multiple threads so I won’t repeat myself.

But the fact is that at the moment, we don’t have good pitching and we don’t have good offense.

At the moment.

I’m sure we will bounce back because this is a very good team. How much are we going to bounce back and for how long?

And while we are bouncing back, how much are the other teams going to be bouncing back? Because the Red Sox Astros and Yankees are all playing better, the Royals and Twins have been good. What are THEY going to do?

[Roll Tide]

5 minutes ago, HowAboutThat said:

The basic point is that we have had good pitching, yes, and we’ve had a lot of depth, but not right now.

The depth is gone because of injuries and the guys we have now are not very good. The question is whether we’re going to address that in a meaningful way. I’ve already commented on that in multiple threads so I won’t repeat myself.

But the fact is that at the moment, we don’t have good pitching and we don’t have good offense.

At the moment.

I’m sure we will bounce back because this is a very good team. How much are we going to bounce back and for how long?

And while we are bouncing back, how much are the other teams going to be bouncing back? Because the Red Sox Astros and Yankees are all playing better, the Royals and Twins have been good. What are THEY going to do?

They’ve had a bad week! They have more wins than last year at the same point. 

[Chelsea_Phil]

They have had a horrible week.

[OnlyOneOriole]

1 minute ago, Roll Tide said:

They’ve had a bad week! They have more wins than last year at the same point. 

Agree.  Bad week.  But where do you think the pitching is going to come from.....this year and next.....without making some major moves?  Ala Miller Crochet Scherzer etc?

 

The bottom line is our beloved Os have reached a point where they need pitching.  And a shakeup position wise.

[Orioles0615]

This team needs way too much at the deadline to make a serious playoff run. 

[Roll Tide]

10 minutes ago, OnlyOneOriole said:

Agree.  Bad week.  But where do you think the pitching is going to come from.....this year and next.....without making some major moves?  Ala Miller Crochet Scherzer etc?

 

The bottom line is our beloved Os have reached a point where they need pitching.  And a shakeup position wise.

Fine … but our offense isn’t this poor! 4 runs in 5 games and not more than two in any. Burnes, Gray Rod, and Kramer will be fine. Suarez still has an ERA over 3. Povich gave up 3 runs in 5 1/3. Most nights that should be good enough to win. But, yes we need a starter upgrade in a couple arms. Elias said he’s working on it and that there are way more buyers than sellers. Plus it’s smart not to give up the top 3 no matter how loudly guys here are screaming for it.

[52520Andrew]

Just now, OnlyOneOriole said:

The point of my post is ever since the pitching went downhill, starting with the Means injury and especially after Bradish's injury,  the hitters have started to press more.

You can see that because they are swinging at bad pitches, not working counts, and just overall slumping. 

Which is what happens when they think they need to score 7 runs a game. 

Offense has been largely doing this all year, it just worked out better with them hitting more earlier in the year. I think this is more the league adjusting by offering less competitive pitches if the Orioles aren't going to have any restraint.

I know Orioles fans try to make everything about starting pitching just like Ravens fans make everything about WR but there are a lot of other players on a team that also play a big role in how a team does. The pitching did just fine in June when the offense was apparently pressing. Except June was their best month of the year for walks and the offense was most effective which kinda kills the whole pressing narrative you had going.

[Aristotelian]

1 hour ago, OnlyOneOriole said:

First let me say I think Elias is a very very good judge of hitting talent.  Of all the things he does?  He can recognize a good hitter when he sees one.  He is great at it. 

That being said...IMO he would make a much better head of scouting or director of player personal rather than a GM. 

I think he is risk adverse when it comes to trading and his theory of drafting hitters and signing or trading for pitchers is imo flawed. 

IMO as a result?  The Os are going through what is expected now when all  you have is 1, maybe 2 good starters, an average one, and a bullpen that other than 2 guys for lack of a better word....sucks.

The hitters can only do so much before they start to press because they know that they need to score 7 runs a game to win.  And when athletes start to press?  More often than not they start to perform badly.  As we are seeing now.    They are frustrated knowing they need to be elite every night.   And as a result they are burned out. 

The real issue is this.  We are not just screwed this year.  But we may be worse next year.  We just lost Means and Bradish for this year, and the chances of  us signing Burnes for next year are next to zero.  So who do we have as solid starters next year?  GR?  Who while talented?  Is not elite.  And then....Kremer?  And then????   I mean what is that? 

More and more I am not liking the make up of this team and imo they 1000000% NEED TO TRADE  for a Miller and a starter like a Crochet.   We have enough infielders who overlap.   Even OF's.   Trade some of this surplus and try to win a WS the next 3 years....because what we have now?   And yes that means trading Holliday and others because otherwise?

Just spinning our wheels.

Just fyi it's risk averse not risk adverse.

The idea is you draft the best player available and then if you have too many hitters you trade them for pitching. If it wasn't for Elias we wouldn't have Gunnar. 

[Aristotelian]

31 minutes ago, OnlyOneOriole said:

Agree.  Bad week.  But where do you think the pitching is going to come from.....this year and next.....without making some major moves?  Ala Miller Crochet Scherzer etc?

 

The bottom line is our beloved Os have reached a point where they need pitching.  And a shakeup position wise.

I think we all agree we would like to see a trade for pitching. Most of us believe Elias will do it although he probably won't trade Holliday for Skubal.

[baltfan]

I was hoping Grayson would take the next step this year. Instead he is a bit worse.  I am not giving up hope, but I thought he would be better than this. 

[Fiver6565]

LOL I came here to see how bad the overreaction was and the first thread I see has spread our five game losing streak into not only the rest of this season, but also all of next season. Classic. 

[Winter]

3 minutes ago, Fiver6565 said:

LOL I came here to see how bad the overreaction was and the first thread I see has spread our five game losing streak into not only the rest of this season, but also all of next season. Classic. 

yeah im hear for the flex tape over the flood gate reactions 

[Three Run Homer]

Right now, the pitching, hitting and defense all suck.  The only good player on this team over the last 5 days has been Kjerstad.  

The difference is that the hitting and defense are in a slump but will get better.   But the bottom half of the rotation and bullpen are not going to get better without trading some real prospects.  I don't think Norby and Stowers will be enough to get us what we need for this season, and next year's rotation is a shambles.    Will Rubinstein be willing to spend the money over the offseason needed to create a playoff caliber rotation?  

[clapdiddy]

Fun to see everyone's reactions during a rough patch.  It happens to every team.  

 

[swerda]

Im confused.  You put a bigfoot quality image of your wife now as your profile picture since you came back from your ban?

Edited July 14 by swerda