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Put the Tigers in the AL East and they don't even make the playoffs. Let alone two years running.

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Their season is more successful, but their rebuild is not more successful yet. Both stories are still being written.

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I'll take the O's organization and a more holistic view than just five postseason games.

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7 minutes ago, Moose Milligan said:

Sure.  

I mean, Skubal and Burnes aren't the same and you know that.  

In what way?  I mean I think Skubal is better but Burnes was an elite CY contender. The Orioles got him…and lost a game 1-0 where he pitched 8 innings.

That’s my point…elite pitching performance are great but you need the offense to do more as well.

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12 minutes ago, DirtyBird said:

In that Detroit drafted and developed him and he will be on the team for two more seasons. That is obvious.

And he has largely been a non factor until this year.   GRod has done more in his first 2 years than Skubal did.

And for 2024, we had our Tarik Skubal. It just didn’t end mattering.

My point was that we had that guy. We also got unlucky with the Bradish injury, another guy who had done more in his early years than Skubal did.

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19 minutes ago, Sports Guy said:

In what way?  I mean I think Skubal is better but Burnes was an elite CY contender. The Orioles got him…and lost a game 1-0 where he pitched 8 innings.

That’s my point…elite pitching performance are great but you need the offense to do more as well.

"Hopefully Elias can luck his way into someone like Skubal." i.e. finding a pitcher in the draft and developing them to become a Cy Young winner, cost controlled, etc.  

Really has nothing to do with trading for Burnes.

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5 minutes ago, Moose Milligan said:

"Hopefully Elias can luck his way into someone like Skubal." i.e. finding a pitcher in the draft and developing them to become a Cy Young winner, cost controlled, etc.  

Really has nothing to do with trading for Burnes.

Well that’s great and all…but really isn’t what matters is that you have those guys here anyway?

Maybe Bradish is that guy..but he got hurt.

Maybe GRod will be that guy…but he’s had injury issues.

And Btw, Skubal has had injury issues for most of his career too.

It’s hard to luck into a Skubal guy and have them be healthy.

I just hope they have some really good pitchers who stay healthy.  

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