5 year payroll plan to see how much can be added.

[Warehouse]

2 hours ago, Sports Guy said:

He will cost more than Witt..for many reasons.

Yes, I think Boras would require at least a 10% premium over the Witt deal (which only buys out three FA year) but possibly more.

That would look like:

- Signing bonus: $8M

- 2025: $3M

- 2026: $8M

- 2027: $15M

- 2028: $21M

- 2029: $33M

- 2030: $38.5M

- 2031: $38.5M - PLAYER OPT OUT AFTER SEASON

- 2032: $38.75M - PLAYER OPT OUT AFTER SEASON

- 2033: $38.75M - PLAYER OPT OUT AFTER SEASON

- 2034: $38.75M - PLAYER OPT OUT AFTER SEASON

- 2035: $38.75M

after 2035, Orioles can exercise team option to retain Gunnar for three additional years when $100M guaranteed

- 2036: $37M

- 2037: $31.5M

- 2038: $31.5M

Full no trade clause

 

Boras may not even go for this as he really doesn’t like pre-arb extensions.

I don’t believe Boras would entertain a straight up long term deal without opt-outs but if he did it would need to be in the neighborhood of a $400M guarantee.

 

[Sports Guy]

14 minutes ago, Warehouse said:

Yes, I think Boras would require at least a 10% premium over the Witt deal (which only buys out three FA year) but possibly more.

That would look like:

- Signing bonus: $8M

- 2025: $3M

- 2026: $8M

- 2027: $15M

- 2028: $21M

- 2029: $33M

- 2030: $38.5M

- 2031: $38.5M - PLAYER OPT OUT AFTER SEASON

- 2032: $38.75M - PLAYER OPT OUT AFTER SEASON

- 2033: $38.75M - PLAYER OPT OUT AFTER SEASON

- 2034: $38.75M - PLAYER OPT OUT AFTER SEASON

- 2035: $38.75M

after 2035, Orioles can exercise team option to retain Gunnar for three additional years when $100M guaranteed

- 2036: $37M

- 2037: $31.5M

- 2038: $31.5M

Full no trade clause

 

Boras may not even go for this as he really doesn’t like pre-arb extensions.

I don’t believe Boras would entertain a straight up long term deal without opt-outs but if he did it would need to be in the neighborhood of a $400M guarantee.

 

Just can’t see a scenario where Gunnar turns down a deal like this…Gunnar isn’t giving up much, if any, money there and he has security.

Its not a good deal for the team but it’s one I think you should give him anyway.

[Jagwar]

8 hours ago, Sports Guy said:

Just can’t see a scenario where Gunnar turns down a deal like this…Gunnar isn’t giving up much, if any, money there and he has security.

Its not a good deal for the team but it’s one I think you should give him anyway.

I agree

Now, if the O's could just find a reliable masher to put 4th in the lineup with Gunnar hitting 3rd. 

[Sports Guy]

43 minutes ago, Jagwar said:

I agree

Now, if the O's could just find a reliable masher to put 4th in the lineup with Gunnar hitting 3rd. 

No. He should be 1 or 2. Give him as many at bats as possible.

[waroriole]

9 hours ago, Warehouse said:

Yes, I think Boras would require at least a 10% premium over the Witt deal (which only buys out three FA year) but possibly more.

That would look like:

- Signing bonus: $8M

- 2025: $3M

- 2026: $8M

- 2027: $15M

- 2028: $21M

- 2029: $33M

- 2030: $38.5M

- 2031: $38.5M - PLAYER OPT OUT AFTER SEASON

- 2032: $38.75M - PLAYER OPT OUT AFTER SEASON

- 2033: $38.75M - PLAYER OPT OUT AFTER SEASON

- 2034: $38.75M - PLAYER OPT OUT AFTER SEASON

- 2035: $38.75M

after 2035, Orioles can exercise team option to retain Gunnar for three additional years when $100M guaranteed

- 2036: $37M

- 2037: $31.5M

- 2038: $31.5M

Full no trade clause

 

Boras may not even go for this as he really doesn’t like pre-arb extensions.

I don’t believe Boras would entertain a straight up long term deal without opt-outs but if he did it would need to be in the neighborhood of a $400M guarantee.

 

Take out a couple of the opt outs and I think it’s a good deal for the O’s. He was never gonna come cheap but he’s 23 and a superstar. If you’re not gonna keep him what are we even doing?

[Sports Guy]

42 minutes ago, waroriole said:

Take out a couple of the opt outs and I think it’s a good deal for the O’s. He was never gonna come cheap but he’s 23 and a superstar. If you’re not gonna keep him what are we even doing?

You aren’t getting him without the opt outs.  It’s the Witt deal. That’s how he signs.

[Can_of_corn]

45 minutes ago, Sports Guy said:

You aren’t getting him without the opt outs.  It’s the Witt deal. That’s how he signs.

You need the first one.  The ones after don't really do much.  If he's going to opt out it will be with the initial option.

[Sports Guy]

15 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

You need the first one.  The ones after don't really do much.  If he's going to opt out it will be with the initial option.

That’s not even remotely accurate. He could have a bad year. Or he could suffer a big injury. 
 

The opt outs protect him against those possibilities. 

Edited 6 hours ago by Sports Guy

[Can_of_corn]

2 hours ago, Sports Guy said:

That’s not even remotely accurate. He could have a bad year. Or he could suffer a big injury. 
 

The opt outs protect him against those possibilities. 

He's either going to underperform expectations or he's opting out the first chance.

No chance he opts out at the second opt year.

[Sports Guy]

2 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

He's either going to underperform expectations or he's opting out the first chance.

No chance he opts out at the second opt year.

If he underperforms or is hurt for a few years in a row, he 100% will not opt out.  This type of deal gives him total protection against any scenario.

[Can_of_corn]

1 hour ago, Sports Guy said:

If he underperforms or is hurt for a few years in a row, he 100% will not opt out.  This type of deal gives him total protection against any scenario.

Right and total protection is something that can reasonably traded for other things.

 

 

[Sports Guy]

3 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

Right and total protection is something that can reasonably traded for other things.

 

 

If the other side is reasonable, sure…but he’s not going to be.

If we are lucky, we get 7 guaranteed years, as opposed to 6.  That’s the best we can hope for.

Otherwise, the structure will almost certainly need to be the same as Witt just with an additional 5-10% more money attached to it.

[waroriole]

4 hours ago, Sports Guy said:

You aren’t getting him without the opt outs.  It’s the Witt deal. That’s how he signs.

I just don’t like the four consecutive opt outs. It’s hard to plan long term with that constantly hanging over you. I’d prefer to knock out two of them. However, it’s not a deal breaker. If he insists, I still work it out. 

[Sports Guy]

Just now, waroriole said:

I just don’t like the four consecutive opt outs. It’s hard to plan long term with that constantly hanging over you. I’d prefer to knock out two of them. However, it’s not a deal breaker. If he insists, I still work it out. 

Right..it’s not a good team deal but it’s likely that or nothing.

[waroriole]

1 hour ago, Can_of_corn said:

He's either going to underperform expectations or he's opting out the first chance.

No chance he opts out at the second opt year.

That’s true. Unless he’s injured in the final year before the opt out and wants to reestablish himself before going on the market, he’d just opt out after the first year.