Schmuck Chimes in on O's Offseason

[mweb]

On what basis do you decide what makes the most sense? Any numbers involved?

Of course, they just have nothing to do with what we got out of guys that aren't considered options for next year. What Huff and Mora did has nothing to do with deciding between Nick Johnson, Delgado, Matsui, Glaus, Beltre, Crede, etc, along with our prospects.

[TonySoprano]

What Huff and Mora did has nothing to do with deciding between Nick Johnson, Delgado, Matsui, Glaus, Beltre, Crede, etc, along with our prospects.

Sure it does, because we've already agreed that we want to see improvement at those positions and we have to have some numbers for the sake of comparison.

[mweb]

Sure it does, because we've already agreed that we want to see improvement at those positions and we have to have some numbers for the sake of comparison.

Note past tense.

As I've said, we are already beyond that, now they have nothing to do with the decision. Those numbers aren't needed for comparisons sake either, you go out and make the decision that makes the most sense, Huff and Mora's awful seasons won't affect that decision.

[TonySoprano]

Huff and Mora's awful seasons won't affect that decision.

As has already been pointed out to you, their seasons are the reasons they won't be here in 2010; it was a part of the decision process for next year. Logically, doing better is also part of the decision process otherwise you'd have to question why those moves were made.

[mweb]

As has already been pointed out to you, their seasons are the reasons they won't be here in 2010; it was a part of the decision process for next year. Logically, doing better is also part of the decision process otherwise you'd have to question why those moves were made.

I didn't say otherwise. I said that decision has already presumably been made, so it's not a factor going forward. Any move they would consider would be to get someone who they would expect to do much better than what Huff and Mora did, but that would be the case regardless. There's no reason to think of Huff's numbers from last year when you're looking at Delgado, Johnson, Matsui, Synder, etc.

[Sports Guy]

Fill in the blank:

Wieters, Markakis, Jones, Reimold, BRob and Pie will give us an approximate combined OPS of _____________.

And here's the Orioles compared to the AL East superpowers

Baltimore

Split            BA  OBP  SLG  OPSas C           .270 .343 .406 .750as 1B          .262 .318 .411 .729as 2B          .287 .364 .454 .817as 3B          .262 .318 .373 .691as SS          .249 .290 .323 .613as LF          .261 .344 .436 .779as CF          .275 .331 .444 .775as RF          .292 .347 .448 .795as DH          .260 .334 .443 .777as P           .150 .190 .150 .340as PH          .225 .278 .348 .627as PH for DH   .000 .167 .000 .167as Infield     .266 .328 .395 .723as Outfield    .276 .341 .443 .784at Def. Pos.   .271 .334 .410 .744at Off. Pos.   .270 .332 .417 .749

Boston:

Split            BA  OBP  SLG  OPSas C           .239 .333 .417 .750as 1B          .293 .386 .482 .868as 2B          .294 .370 .449 .819as 3B          .287 .347 .496 .843as SS          .234 .297 .358 .655as LF          .267 .378 .535 .913as CF          .295 .347 .405 .752as RF          .282 .378 .524 .903as DH          .236 .333 .444 .777as P           .095 .095 .238 .333as PH          .205 .301 .274 .575as PH for DH   .000 .000 .000 .000Other          .000 .000 .000 .000as Infield     .271 .348 .443 .791as Outfield    .282 .367 .484 .851at Def. Pos.   .268 .339 .409 .748at Off. Pos.   .282 .372 .509 .881

New York:

Split             BA   OBP   SLG   OPSas C            .269  .330  .438  .767as 1B           .292  .386  .566  .953as 2B           .317  .348  .512  .860as 3B           .271  .374  .461  .834as SS           .332  .401  .467  .868as LF           .276  .353  .486  .839as CF           .273  .338  .400  .739as RF           .250  .359  .480  .839as DH           .271  .363  .495  .858as P            .125  .160  .167  .327as PH           .237  .361  .408  .769as PH for DH    .286  .286  .429  .714Other          1.000 1.000 1.500 2.500as Infield      .297  .369  .490  .859as Outfield     .266  .351  .457  .807at Def. Pos.    .299  .356  .456  .812at Off. Pos.    .273  .368  .499  .868

This is what we are up against folks...

Are you going to answer my question or continue to ignore it?

[Moose Milligan]

I don't really mind arguing it with him. He's certainly entitled to his opinions.

Our mission is to show him the light. I've got a guy at work who thinks very simliarly to Trea and I go down there and attempt to set him straight everyday. So far I'm one for one on bets (Markakis contract extension) and I've got another one in the hopper for next year.

I'm planning on "batting 1.000" by this time next year, too.

That's cool, Slappy. Maybe this time around you'll win more than a 6er of Natty Light.

Are you going to answer my question or continue to ignore it?

He'll continue to ignore it, just like any other post or question that really puts the screws to him.

[bej6789]

This offseason, if for no other reason at all, will interest me due to the fact that this is entirely Macphail's doing. He could've landed the big bat last season, but he chose not to. Whether that was a wise move or not, we'll never know. However, we do know that Macphail is already on record saying it's time to start winning ballgames -- not just "progressing".

I refuse to make any excuses for this offseason. I don't care about the talent available on the free agent market, whether you think it's great or not. The fact of the matter to me is Macphail without a doubt took a look at this upcoming free agent crop last season. He isn't stupid, and the argument doesn't apply that this batch is terrible. It was known last year, and the year before. Yeah, things change. But you can pretty much get a sense of who is resigning and who isn't.

For the first time in awhile, I feel like this is ACTUALLY put up or shut up time for the Orioles. It's no longer about ridding yourself of contracts or restocking the farm system. It's about tangible moves that the fan base can be proud of on the field as this team starts winning. If it doesn't happen, I'm going to go clinically insane. No more Adam Eatons!!!!

[tommyboy]

Hank.

Thanks for the kind words I look forward to another spirited debate tomorrow in the office. Care to tell our Hangout posters what we are betting on?? Oh yeah that the Orioles will play 500 baseball next year.

I hope you do go 2 for 2 but I just don't see it happening until we upgrade in the areas of need and our young pitching gets more experienced.

[Hank Scorpio]

It was a sixer of Sam Adams Boston Lager.

Booyah.

[Hank Scorpio]

Hank.

Thanks for the kind words I look forward to another spirited debate tomorrow in the office. Care to tell our Hangout posters what we are betting on?? Oh yeah that the Orioles will play 500 baseball next year.

I hope you do go 2 for 2 but I just don't see it happening until we upgrade in the areas of need and our young pitching gets more experienced.

Hey look, it's Johnny Bravo.

The Sam Adams was good, buddy!

[Moose Milligan]

It was a sixer of Sam Adams Boston Lager.

Booyah.

Really? Cause I just left your moms house and she told me that it was actually a case of Boone's Farm.

[VTmook213]

Sure it does, because we've already agreed that we want to see improvement at those positions and we have to have some numbers for the sake of comparison.

Well now here's a question - are we hoping for just any improvement over last year's numbers?

Or have we set a minimum threshhold of statistics as what we consider acceptable?

Because I think those are two very different things at this point. Aubrey Huff was a -1.2 WAR player last year. A 1b who is a -1.0 WAR player would represent an improvement over what Huff gave us, yet somehow I doubt that many on this board would consider that an acceptable solution.

I think what mweb08 is trying to say is not that we shouldn't try to find an improvement over what Huff gave us at 1b, because everyone agrees with that. But once we have come to the conclusion that we need to improve at 1b, it's not as important to find an improvement over Huff's numbers but rather it's important to identify what we expect out of that position. If we can say that any player that gives us a 1.0 WAR performance at 1b would be an acceptable stop-gap, then that gives us a much clearer starting point on what players to look at rather than just saying "We need someone who is better than a -1.2 WAR player."

[TiredofLosing20]

He could've landed the big bat last season, but he chose not to

This.... Ugh..