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Moose Milligan Hangout Grand Counsel

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I thought we covered this in previous posts. I believe his command issues are behind him. You don't. You group in the other day with all his ML starts from previous years. I believe it's more accurate to look at more recent work because it's indicative of who he is as a pitcher going forward based on the mechanical changes he's made in his delivery with RP.

If you discount that, so be it.

I just think it's too early to tell. Small sample size and all that.

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Good looking out. Curious as to your thoughts on CT.

Cautiously optimistic. My recollections are that Chris has a tendency to fall apart if things don't go well and his second start reinforced that.

Obviously the raw stuff is greatly improved which should lead to much more confidence.

I am hopeful that he can continue to refine his game at the MLB level.

I can see him holding down a spot in the rotation while he is under team control.

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Cautiously optimistic. My recollections are that Chris has a tendency to fall apart if things don't go well and his second start reinforced that.

Obviously the raw stuff is greatly improved which should lead to much more confidence.

I am hopeful that he can continue to refine his game at the MLB level.

I can see him holding down a spot in the rotation while he is under team control.

I'm pretty close to that. As far as the falling apart under pressure, he had a few chances to cave in both of his last starts and I thought he fought through a couple difficult innings so hopefully there's some improvement on that front.

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I tend to agree that his command problems aren't "behind him" - even the games I watched from the minors, his command was better, but hardly pinpoint. That said, while he misses occasionally, the quality of his stuff has been enough so far - a lot of that is the uptick in velocity combined w/ the huge velo differential between FB and change. He catches a lot of bats in between - which is how he uses the cutter/SL as well. I think he'll need to be better with the curve, in general, but there remains a lot to like about what we're seeing from him. He has a gameplan - while not perfect, he's using his FB in-and-out more, using his curve in two different ways (eye-level/change-of-pace, up & two-strike/down-in-the-zone). He only gets swings-and-misses on the latter, generally, and he didn't get any swings and misses on it this game (which means he was having trouble getting on top of it - which is something to keep an eye on). Love that he was strong to finish at 94-95 late in the game.

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The command problems are not bad enough that it's going to get him in a ton of trouble so far.

I don't mind if he isn't perfect with his pitches if his stuff is as good as it has been. His command just can't be so bad that it makes him lose games.

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The command problems are not bad enough that it's going to get him in a ton of trouble so far.

I don't mind if he isn't perfect with his pitches if his stuff is as good as it has been. His command just can't be so bad that it makes him lose games.

It's a fine line, though. See Arrieta, Jake.

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The importance of the Curve:

1st start: 56% for strikes. Generating 30% swings and 8% whiff.

2nd start: 14% for strikes. No swings. No whiffs.

3rd start: 45.8% for strikes. 29.2% swings. 4.2% whiff.

4th start: 38.4% for strikes. 15.4% swings. 0.0% whiff.

His SwSt on his FB and change are WAY above league-average, but necessary to his success is (i) throwing the curve for strikes; and (ii) he needs to throw it for both kinds of strikes (up in the zone and down in the dirt). When he's using it well (first start), he gets swings and misses in addition to strikes. At a minimum he needs to throw it for strikes. To be good, he's going to have to use it better.

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The importance of the Curve:

1st start: 56% for strikes. Generating 30% swings and 8% whiff.

2nd start: 14% for strikes. No swings. No whiffs.

3rd start: 45.8% for strikes. 29.2% swings. 4.2% whiff.

4th start: 38.4% for strikes. 15.4% swings. 0.0% whiff.

His SwSt on his FB and change are WAY above league-average, but necessary to his success is (i) throwing the curve for strikes; and (ii) he needs to throw it for both kinds of strikes (up in the zone and down in the dirt). When he's using it well (first start), he gets swings and misses in addition to strikes. At a minimum he needs to throw it for strikes. To be good, he's going to have to use it better.

Good Stuff. According to Roch, Tillman is still sick today. There's a virus going around the clubhouse.

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The importance of the Curve:

1st start: 56% for strikes. Generating 30% swings and 8% whiff.

2nd start: 14% for strikes. No swings. No whiffs.

3rd start: 45.8% for strikes. 29.2% swings. 4.2% whiff.

4th start: 38.4% for strikes. 15.4% swings. 0.0% whiff.

His SwSt on his FB and change are WAY above league-average, but necessary to his success is (i) throwing the curve for strikes; and (ii) he needs to throw it for both kinds of strikes (up in the zone and down in the dirt). When he's using it well (first start), he gets swings and misses in addition to strikes. At a minimum he needs to throw it for strikes. To be good, he's going to have to use it better.

Agree. If he can command this pitch we could see many more starts like the one he had in Seattle, regardless of who he faces.

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Also, Tillman finally got that elusive back-to-back decision wins in the major leagues.

That was really good to see. Also, the last time Tillman had back-to-back quality starts was in August 2009. He managed three in a row then. Hoping to see him match that in his next start.

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