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DrinkinWithFermi Perennial All-Star

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Yes there was interest but DD wasn't offering much. There is a link out there talkin about how Kubel isn't really an upgrade, which is true.

Exactly. The combination of Betemit and one of our RH bat options should just about match Kubel's production, and might even exceed it. If he was a FA, maybe- but to give up real talent for an overpaid, slightly above average DH type player heading into his age 31 season after what was basically a career year when we already have Meat would have been silly, IMO. Glad we can move on.

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Completely untrue. I haven't said anything that would weaken the team.

I don't believe I've ever said that we should "make a deal for the sake of making a deal."

I've said that I believe we need a solid bat in the middle of the lineup so we can go all the way in 2013. I don't see how those two statements are confused.

MSK

And what does Kubel have to do with your statement above?

And plus you took a veiled shot at Angelos yet again. Like it was HIS decision not to sign anyone.

Take it for what its worth, but Louis Angelos was on the radio and said Mr. Angelos (he calls him that) was willing to give DD and Buck the money to do whatever they wanted, but it was their decision not to give up draft picks for the players that were available. I'm sure you won't believe any of that, which is your opinion and you're free to it.

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Completely untrue. I haven't said anything that would weaken the team.

I don't believe I've ever said that we should "make a deal for the sake of making a deal."

I've said that I believe we need a solid bat in the middle of the lineup so we can go all the way in 2013. I don't see how those two statements are confused.

MSK

How does Kubel strengthen this team? Who's spot in the lineup and field does he replace? What happens to that player? Who is traded for Kubel? DD decided that Kubel doesn't make this team better with what would be subtracted to get him.

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If I'm a Braves' fan, I would much prefer the team just re-sign Michael Bourn instead of giving up the farm to obtain Upton.

I'm a happy Braves fan. They gave up their 3rd best pitching prospect (Delgado) at best, solid but unspectacular prospects that really didn't fit prominently in their plans, and basically got a push at 3rd while saving a lot of money in that push.

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And what does Kubel have to do with your statement above?

And plus you took a veiled shot at Angelos yet again. Like it was HIS decision not to sign anyone.

Take it for what its worth, but Louis Angelos was on the radio and said Mr. Angelos (he calls him that) was willing to give DD and Buck the money to do whatever they wanted, but it was their decision not to give up draft picks for the players that were available. I'm sure you won't believe any of that, which is your opinion and you're free to it.

This is a textbook definition of reaching.

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Before the Upton trade had gone through, I saw a couple of reports on Kubel and the Orioles. Looks like we won't be trading for anyone and we've officially stood pat in this off season.

I am not going to get into the ownership etc. I only wonder why we haven't done anything thus far. Last night, Al Leiter discussed the need for a MOO-bat for the Orioles and how they should go into the trade market before it's too late.

I can't find that report as it came on at 11pm EST on 1/23, but this is the other report on Kubel. Why haven't we pulled a deal?

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This is a textbook definition of reaching.

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I'm done with this conversation!!!!!

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All you have to do is watch the video.

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Let me guess- blah blah 30 HRs blah blah lineup protection blah blah. I don't see how Kubel is a significant upgrade over the potential Betemit/RH bat platoon, if it's an upgrade at all. Especially at the cost of someone like Arrieta or Matusz. Kubel had a career year in 2012 at age 30, mostly in a hitter's park. He doesn't hit lefties well(career .691 OPS) so he might need to be platooned anyway, and he's a defensive liability in LF.

No thanks.

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I mean, he has been like a top 25 or top 30 producer in all of baseball two of the last three years, versatile defender (and plays well), and has positive baserunning value. $6MM is expensive for that?

The SEA deal was one big piece, a couple relievers and someone who might be a second division 2b? Braves deal spreads out value and front loads a chunk of it in Prado, but people are overstating this as a huge steep down from SEA. I prefer the Walker deal, but understand why ARI might agree to something like the ATL deal.

If AZ extends Prado for close to the same money that Upton is making, would that change your opinion?

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Let me guess- blah blah 30 HRs blah blah lineup protection blah blah. I don't see how Kubel is a significant upgrade over the potential Betemit/RH bat platoon, if it's an upgrade at all. Especially at the cost of someone like Arrieta or Matusz. Kubel had a career year in 2012 at age 30, mostly in a hitter's park. He doesn't hit lefties well(career .691 OPS) so he might need to be platooned anyway, and he's a defensive liability in LF.

No thanks.

You're pretty much right on:

"can hit 30 Homers"

"provides solid veteran presence"

"offers protection"

"kind of guy that makes your lineup immediately better"

Typical MLB Network banter.

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You're pretty much right on:

"can hit 30 Homers"

"provides solid veteran presence"

"offers protection"

"kind of guy that makes your lineup immediately better"

Typical MLB Network banter.

Ha! I was going to throw "blah blah veteran leadership blah blah" in there but didn't actually think that they could possibly be so banal.

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Keith Law brutalizes AZ:

Arizona's return boils down to this: One year of Martin Prado, six years of a fifth starter in Randall Delgado, two fringy prospects and one non-prospect. If that sounds like a good deal to you, I have some beachfront property in Phoenix to sell you.
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You're pretty much right on:

"can hit 30 Homers"

"provides solid veteran presence"

"offers protection"

"kind of guy that makes your lineup immediately better"

Typical MLB Network banter.

Shouldn't they have a bucket full of "protection" in the trainer's office? I know I would feel uncomfortable borrowing some from a teammate.

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