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Frobby Hangout Grand Counsel

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He's a blow average defender who has below average power and speed for a corner outfielder. His only real worthy trait is a solid batting average.

He's not worth much.

You are entitled to your view, and the market will speak to the matter when the time comes. My observation is that Nick has only had one season when he was worth less than 1.7 WAR, which was last year, and therefore I want to see this season play out before trying to guess what his value going forward is likely to be.

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He's a blow average defender who has below average power and speed for a corner outfielder. His only real worthy trait is a solid batting average.

He's not worth much.

If that's actually true wouldn't that mean someone would be able to sign him to a short/cheap deal to be a role player?

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If that's actually true wouldn't that mean someone would be able to sign him to a short/cheap deal to be a role player?

I doubt it, since Angelos likes him and we'll likely just overpay him more than someone would pay for a part time role. I don't think anyone else would value him any more than a part time/platoon type role, or low salary starter.

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You are entitled to your view, and the market will speak to the matter when the time comes. My observation is that Nick has only had one season when he was worth less than 1.7 WAR, which was last year, and therefore I want to see this season play out before trying to guess what his value going forward is likely to be.

What accounts for the differences in rWAR and fWAR in Nick's case? Fangraphs has Nick at 1.7 WAR in 2011, 1.5 in 2012, -0.1 in 2013, and 0.2 so far this year.

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I doubt it, since Angelos likes him and we'll likely just overpay him more than someone would pay for a part time role. I don't think anyone else would value him any more than a part time/platoon type role, or low salary starter.

I just don't believe Angelos will overpay to any great extent. You really think he's worth like $7m a year but Angelos would pay him twice that or more?

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I just don't believe Angelos will overpay to any great extent. You really think he's worth like $7m a year but Angelos would pay him twice that or more?

I don't think he's worth anywhere close to 7 million a year. He's a fringe major league player on the decline. I'd pay him at most a couple million. If he doesn't want it, he should go try to find a platoon job somewhere else.

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I don't think he's worth anywhere close to 7 million a year. He's a fringe major league player on the decline. I'd pay him at most a couple million. If he doesn't want it, he should go try to find a platoon job somewhere else.

That makes it clear why you have a different valuation of him than what I believe is the consensus.

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That makes it clear why you have a different valuation of him than what I believe is the consensus.

I really don't think that a corner outfielder who hits like 10 homers a year and lacks speed will have much of a market. Of course, someone might think he's a great fielder since he's won a Gold Glove despite his atrocious defensive sabermetrics and will pay him more for that, but that wouldn't be a very responsible GM.

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I really don't think that a corner outfielder who hits like 10 homers a year and lacks speed will have much of a market. Of course, someone might think he's a great fielder since he's won a Gold Glove despite his atrocious defensive sabermetrics and will pay him more for that, but that wouldn't be a very responsible GM.

You have a pretty extreme view even among Nick's detractors. No point in arguing with you, the market will speak to the subject soon enough.

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I really don't think that a corner outfielder who hits like 10 homers a year and lacks speed will have much of a market. Of course, someone might think he's a great fielder since he's won a Gold Glove despite his atrocious defensive sabermetrics and will pay him more for that, but that wouldn't be a very responsible GM.

Just playing devil's advocate, but in the liveball era there have been roughly 100 corner outfielders worth 3+ wins with 10 or fewer homers and 10 or fewer steals. About 20 have been 5+ win MVP-ish players. Throw in "hustled to an almost disturbing level" and that's pretty much Pete Rose.

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I don't think he's worth anywhere close to 7 million a year. He's a fringe major league player on the decline. I'd pay him at most a couple million. If he doesn't want it, he should go try to find a platoon job somewhere else.

What does 7 million buy you today in MLB?

I really think your beyond the extreme here! Nate McLouth was worth 5.5 million per year on a 2year deal and Nick is a better average and OBP guy which you conveniently failed to mention. Nick by all accounts has a really good arm and he catches what he gets to. Nate has more range but a weak arm. So Nick is clearly a better player....if you had a good replacement at AAA then perhaps you pass on a deal. But the Orioles positional talent is still poor by most accounts.

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What does 7 million buy you today in MLB?

It might not buy a lot, but it could be the difference between keeping one of our stud free agents in 2015 and not. There wouldn't be much drop off if we let Markakis go and grabbed a guy for a million or two... or even if DD did his typical "Sign every fringe player and hope somebody pans out" strategy for spring training. Even in his "Comeback" year so far, he's projected to be a 1 WAR player for the full season. Keeping a Davis or Wieters around with that money would be a far better way to use it.

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