Adam Jones is The Man

[CA-ORIOLE]

According to fangraphs above he's 3rd best defensively among CFs...so are you alleging that he's been overrated defensively by the metrics?

His UZR numbers are very good so far this year but he has been below average for the previous 5 years by that metric. DRS is a slight plus for him this year, but not by much. He has basically been a bit below average for his career by both DRS an UZR with most of that value coming from his arm.

[Flash- bd]

His UZR numbers are very good so far this year but he has been below average for the previous 5 years by that metric. DRS is a slight plus for him this year, but not by much. He has basically been a bit below average for his career by both DRS an UZR with most of that value coming from his arm.

Yeah. So is your suspicion that he's not been as good as that fangraphs list would have him in CF this season?

[DrungoHazewood]

Yeah. So is your suspicion that he's not been as good as that fangraphs list would have him in CF this season?

Since UZR numbers take roughly twice as long to stabilize as a typical offensive metric you would do better to list a fielder's current performance over his last 300ish games. Jones may be doing something active to get to more balls this year, or it could be that the distribution of balls hit in his vicinity has just been more favorable.

[tettleton14]

4-for-4 night.

As thread OP said, Adam Jones is the MAN :beerchug1:

[bobmc]

"I can't tell you how tough it is, a guy like Adam (Jones) ran down balls all night in the second game of a doubleheader after playing a very long, hot game. He just continues to post up. Those are things I take out of it. Chris (Davis) didn't necessarily do a lot of damage offensively. Walked some and played a great first base. Probably the difference in two runs tonight was Chris at first base. And J.J. (Hardy), he just goes out there every day and turns in another good defensive effort."

Jones tied his career high with four hits and is batting .302.

"His energy. He makes me tired watching him, just from his energy. It's unbelievable every day," Showalter said.

"We should never take it for granted, what he brings every day, regardless if he's got a six-year contract or living day to day. That's special and it's rare and we're fortunate to have him."

http://www.masnsports.com/school-of-roch/2014/06/hearing-from-showalter-after-4-1-win-in-game-2.html?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

[tettleton14]

"I can't tell you how tough it is, a guy like Adam (Jones) ran down balls all night in the second game of a doubleheader after playing a very long, hot game. He just continues to post up. Those are things I take out of it. Chris (Davis) didn't necessarily do a lot of damage offensively. Walked some and played a great first base. Probably the difference in two runs tonight was Chris at first base. And J.J. (Hardy), he just goes out there every day and turns in another good defensive effort."

Jones tied his career high with four hits and is batting .302.

"His energy. He makes me tired watching him, just from his energy. It's unbelievable every day," Showalter said.

"We should never take it for granted, what he brings every day, regardless if he's got a six-year contract or living day to day. That's special and it's rare and we're fortunate to have him."

http://www.masnsports.com/school-of-roch/2014/06/hearing-from-showalter-after-4-1-win-in-game-2.html?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

Jonesy is definitely one of my favorite Orioles of all time. He's one of the best sound bites in baseball. He can talk Xs and Os while being fun and not spouting off cliches. Love that about him!

[tntoriole]

Love Adam Jones. He is a special player. Intensity, all the time, every game. And, he is the single player that the Orioles could not do without, even for a short time, this year.

[weams]

Love Adam Jones. He is a special player. Intensity, all the time, every game. And, he is the single player that the Orioles could not do without, even for a short time, this year.

He is as close to Frank Robinson as this team can get.

[CA-ORIOLE]

He is as close to Frank Robinson as this team can get.

He his hitting the crap out of the ball right now and holding this team together. Not many balls getting behind him these days either.

[BohKnowsBmore]

He his hitting the crap out of the ball right now and holding this team together. Not many balls getting behind him these days either.

I feel like some people question his range because of how smooth he looks out there. Just sort of glides to the ball rather than having a furious leg pump like some smaller center fielders.

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[CA-ORIOLE]

I feel like some people question his range because of how smooth he looks out there. Just sort of glides to the ball rather than having a furious leg pump like some smaller center fielders.

That and the data is pretty compelling. I suspect he's probably being smarter and playing deeper. When you break it down the vast majority of flyballs are either catchable or not catchable and only a small percentage of batted balls separate the good from bad. Most CF's have better range than Jones imo. Maybe none have a better arm. Overall he is fine out there, just not "gold glove" caliber imo.

[weams]

His UZR numbers are very good so far this year but he has been below average for the previous 5 years by that metric. DRS is a slight plus for him this year, but not by much. He has basically been a bit below average for his career by both DRS an UZR with most of that value coming from his arm.

I am sure the metric is right this year and has been wrong before. He did not get faster. Maybe playing with a DH in left and a statue in right, he has had to flaunt his range.

[weams]

That and the data is pretty compelling. I suspect he's probably being smarter and playing deeper. When you break it down the vast majority of flyballs are either catchable or not catchable and only a small percentage of batted balls separate the good from bad. Most CF's have better range than Jones imo. Maybe none have a better arm. Overall he is fine out there, just not "gold glove" caliber imo.

Probably playing deeper.

[CA-ORIOLE]

I am sure the metric is right this year and has been wrong before. He did not get faster. Maybe playing with a DH in left and a statue in right, he has had to flaunt his range.

Probably playing deeper.

I'd probably lean closer towards 5 years worth of data than 1/2 of one year. I also prefer DRS over UZR (especially for outfielders). DRS does not show him nearly as good as UZR. That said, I have always thought he could have helped himself by playing deeper.

In any event, i want to keep this positive. Jones is hitting the crap out of the ball, is not letting balls get over his head, and is pretty close to carrying the team right now with Cruz slipping off.

[Frobby]

He is as close to Frank Robinson as this team can get.

He's about as close to Frank Robinson as Chris Tillman is to Jim Palmer.

Frank through age 28: .304/.390/.566, 291 HR, 896 RBI, 150 OPS+.

Adam through age 28: .281/.322/.466, 154 HR, 528 RBI, 110 OPS+.

I like Adam a lot, but let's not kid ourselves.