Bottom line we need a real closer.

[srock]

So now Zach as the closer is something to lament?

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The loss is something to lament. This thread is how we lament. It's unfortunate Zach Britton was the skapegoat. That's how be OP roles. Bad luck.

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[OriolesMagic83]

The O's have 99 problems, but a real closer ain't one.

[mark_beckens]

Somewhere in here it was mentioned that closers are strikeout pitchers. Swing and miss pitchers and because Britton is a sinkerballer who pitches to contact he will never succeed long term. Well, the other teams "closer" is a strike out pitcher, a swing and miss pitcher.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/d/doolise01-pitch.shtml

Sean Doolittle

43.2 innings, 27 hits, 2 walks 63 K's

He's also 14 of 17 in saves or 82%

So much for that "theory"!!

[weams]

The O's have 99 problems, but a real closer ain't one.

Orioles have two or three problems and closing is DEFINITELY one of them.

[waroriole]

Orioles have two or three problems and closing is DEFINITELY one of them.

I couldn't disagree more, but that's ok.

[MrOrange82]

Somewhere in here it was mentioned that closers are strikeout pitchers. Swing and miss pitchers and because Britton is a sinkerballer who pitches to contact he will never succeed long term. Well, the other teams "closer" is a strike out pitcher, a swing and miss pitcher.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/d/doolise01-pitch.shtml

Sean Doolittle

43.2 innings, 27 hits, 2 walks 63 K's

He's also 14 of 17 in saves or 82%

So much for that "theory"!!

ESPN maintains a list of 30 players it considers "closers" for their respective teams (not sure what it says about the "teams don't use a closer by committee theory" because several of the players have 11 or fewer saves, but whatever). Britton has the 5th worst save percentage of all of the pitchers on that list. Doolittle is 4th worst.

So...you take one of the four "closers" in the entire game whose percentage is actually worse than Britton's, and who happens to be a "swing and miss" pitcher, and that proves your point?

[mark_beckens]

So...you take one of the four "closers" in the entire game whose percentage is actually worse than Britton's, and who happens to be a "swing and miss" pitcher, and that proves your point?

Nope, but it proves your point to be incorrect.

[waroriole]

ESPN maintains a list of 30 players it considers "closers" for their respective teams (not sure what it says about the "teams don't use a closer by committee theory" because several of the players have 11 or fewer saves, but whatever). Britton has the 5th worst save percentage of all of the pitchers on that list. Doolittle is 4th worst.

So...you take one of the four "closers" in the entire game whose percentage is actually worse than Britton's, and who happens to be a "swing and miss" pitcher, and that proves your point?

If his point is that it's too small of a sample size to make a solid judgment, then yes it does.

[LA2]

Does it really need to be pointed out that the save percentage differences some posters are bandying about have almost no statistical significance at all?

[mark_beckens]

Does it really need to be pointed out that the save percentage differences some posters are bandying about have almost no statistical significance at all?

What do you mean? Blown saves don't matter?:scratchchinhmm:

[weams]

What do you mean? Blown saves don't matter?:scratchchinhmm:

How many blown saves do the Orioles have this season?

[Reboulet'sStache]

Nope, but it proves your point to be incorrect.

I think that people are arguing that, on average, there is a correlation between one and the other. Finding exceptions doesn't really change that.

[mark_beckens]

How many blown saves do the Orioles have this season?

So this discussion is going to include Hunter again?

[Can_of_corn]

So this discussion is going to include Hunter again?

Hunter doesn't strike out any more guys then Britton does.

[weams]

So this discussion is going to include Hunter again?

Yes, Yes it is.