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They are certainly opening themselves up for criticism if Ubaldo gets bombed the next couple of starts.

They can skip him next start, move him to pen and then bring Miggy back if they choose. I don't think they will be real hard headed about this, too much at stake.

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This is disappointing.

The goal of the organization should be to WIN. The 25-man roster should be comprised of the 25 healthy players who give us the best chance to WIN. Does anyone on here feel more confident with Ubaldo today than you would if Miggy was taking the hill??? ANYONE?!?

This is strictly an administrative type move that might be OK in April or May but not mid-August in the heat of a pennant race. I don't like to see anyone lose their job due to injury but Ubaldo's performance did nothing to earn him a spot the moment he got healthy, especially considering how the rotation has done without him. Obviously we can't cut the guy, but bury him in the 'pen until a starter falters. You could argue that "Ubaldo has a history that says he'll get better" but we've already got 5 guys doing just fine.

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They are certainly opening themselves up for criticism if Ubaldo gets bombed the next couple of starts.

We have enough of a lead that two lousy starts shouldn't kill us. Clearly, they signed him with the idea that Good Ubaldo was worth the risk of Bad Ubaldo.

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This is disappointing.

The goal of the organization should be to WIN. The 25-man roster should be comprised of the 25 healthy players who give us the best chance to WIN. Does anyone on here feel more confident with Ubaldo today than you would if Miggy was taking the hill??? ANYONE?!?

This is strictly an administrative type move that might be OK in April or May but not mid-August in the heat of a pennant race. I don't like to see anyone lose their job due to injury but Ubaldo's performance did nothing to earn him a spot the moment he got healthy, especially considering how the rotation has done without him. Obviously we can't cut the guy, but bury him in the 'pen until a starter falters. You could argue that "Ubaldo has a history that says he'll get better" but we've already got 5 guys doing just fine.

You have to think about more than 2 weeks when you think about winning. In a couple weeks the rosters will expand and if Jiminez struggles he won't leave the bench. You got over 3 years left on his contract...do you want to release him? I don't think that would be good for the team at all.

As for the bullpen... You can't pitch out of the pen if you can't throw strikes.

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This is disappointing.

The goal of the organization should be to WIN. The 25-man roster should be comprised of the 25 healthy players who give us the best chance to WIN. Does anyone on here feel more confident with Ubaldo today than you would if Miggy was taking the hill??? ANYONE?!?

This is strictly an administrative type move that might be OK in April or May but not mid-August in the heat of a pennant race. I don't like to see anyone lose their job due to injury but Ubaldo's performance did nothing to earn him a spot the moment he got healthy, especially considering how the rotation has done without him. Obviously we can't cut the guy, but bury him in the 'pen until a starter falters. You could argue that "Ubaldo has a history that says he'll get better" but we've already got 5 guys doing just fine.

They aren't going to force feed him out there if he sucks. It's one start. We have off days on Aug 14 and 21st. We only need a 5th starter 3 times after today if they are creative. Might be a chance to rest one or two starters arms for a brief time.

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We have enough of a lead that two lousy starts shouldn't kill us. Clearly, they signed him with the idea that Good Ubaldo was worth the risk of Bad Ubaldo.

But does the same risk/reward scenario work when the rest of the staff is pitching well and Ubaldo is setting a career worse mark in walks?

You guys do realize that despite the time off he is still leading the AL in walks?

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This is disappointing.

The goal of the organization should be to WIN. The 25-man roster should be comprised of the 25 healthy players who give us the best chance to WIN. Does anyone on here feel more confident with Ubaldo today than you would if Miggy was taking the hill??? ANYONE?!?

This is strictly an administrative type move that might be OK in April or May but not mid-August in the heat of a pennant race. I don't like to see anyone lose their job due to injury but Ubaldo's performance did nothing to earn him a spot the moment he got healthy, especially considering how the rotation has done without him. Obviously we can't cut the guy, but bury him in the 'pen until a starter falters. You could argue that "Ubaldo has a history that says he'll get better" but we've already got 5 guys doing just fine.

I disagree. I think you have to give Ubaldo the opportunity to be the pitcher he was at the end of last season. If he does that, we should go far in the post-season. If he doesn't, sit him down and give the spot to Gonzalez.

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But does the same risk/reward scenario work when the rest of the staff is pitching well and Ubaldo is setting a career worse mark in walks?

You guys do realize that despite the time off he is still leading the AL in walks?

At least he's leading in something. But to your question, yes, that scenario should still be in effect unless you're ready to call the entire contract a mistake and move on from there. I think they are far from that point.

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At least he's leading in something. But to your question, yes, that scenario should still be in effect unless you're ready to call the entire contract a mistake and move on from there. I think they are far from that point.

I think something could be done this year and not jeopardize the remaining three years of the deal.

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