As much as most of us root for Crush... He's not helping on offense...

[JohnnyEutaw]

Did you look at the lineup today?

Snider is batting 2nd, Paredes at 3rd, AJ at Cleanup and Davis at 5th.

Saw that after I posted, believe it or not. Crush may have earned his cleanup spot back, though!

[theobird]

And I believe it was Gary Thorne of all people who said that CD was about to breakout. Last night! Maybe he isn't as inept as we thought. Lol

[El Gordo]

Exactly my point. CA ORIOLE finds it acceptable to bat .200 and strike out 250 times as long as he hits 40 home runs.

I find that acceptable as well. I think you probably are the only one who wouldn't

[CA-ORIOLE]

LOL! You're using Reggie Jackson as an example to prove your point about Chris Davis!

It's not just the strikeouts with Chris Davis. It also has something to do with the .196 BA last year and the .216 BA this year.

No, I actually pointed out Martins' opinion/usage of Reggie Jackson with respect to K's as being dim-witted and pointed out that you and Martin would have gotten along on the subject. You should probably take some time to read things.

[El Gordo]

And I believe it was Gary Thorne of all people who said that CD was about to breakout. Last night! Maybe he isn't as inept as we thought. Lol

Where was Gary last night in the bar? He wasn't in the booth, Homer was.

[DrungoHazewood]

I'm being obtuse? There's no difference between 4 days rest and 5 day rest in comparing him to Weaver in 1980? Maybe he utilized his SP perhaps excessively in 1980, but that's about the only year I can see, and like I said, my main recollection was with the Yankees prior to that. Am i being obtuse by pointing out that his record was more favorable than Weavers with SP's pre-1980?.

Yes. You baisically brushed off a 50-year outlier. Teams started using the five man in the early 70s and no other team even remotely approached his A's teams.

[ArtVanDelay]

Exactly my point. CA ORIOLE finds it acceptable to bat .200 and strike out 250 times as long as he hits 40 home runs.

I'll take 40 homers every day of the week.

[DrungoHazewood]

Exactly my point. CA ORIOLE finds it acceptable to bat .200 and strike out 250 times as long as he hits 40 home runs.

If he has an acceptable OBP/SLG why not?

[ArtVanDelay]

Exactly my point. CA ORIOLE finds it acceptable to bat .200 and strike out 250 times as long as he hits 40 home runs.

Who cares what his batting average is if he's producing?

[El Gordo]

If he has an acceptable OBP/SLG why not?

Can you think of an example of someone with 40 HR who didn't have acceptable OBP/SLG?

[Aristotelian]

Best reverse jinx thread ever.

[Frobby]

If he has an acceptable OBP/SLG why not?

It's pretty tough at .200. As Chris found out last year.

[CA-ORIOLE]

Yes. You baisically brushed off a 50-year outlier. Teams started using the five man in the early 70s and no other team even remotely approached his A's teams.

Ok, I brought up Weaver initially comparing him to Martin in the late 1970's but it was was you that compared Weaver to Martin in 1980. I'll concede Martin got carried away in 1980. but 1980 wasn't his complete record either.

[DrungoHazewood]

Can you think of an example of someone with 40 HR who didn't have acceptable OBP/SLG?

Hmmm... Tony Batista in 2000 had 41 homers and .307/.519 OBP/SLG. The OBP was well below league-average, the slugging a bit above for an OPS+ of just 102. That's the lowest OPS+ for any 40+ homer hitter.

In 1984 Tony Armas had an even .300 OBP with 43 homers. Only 2.5 rWAR in 157 games.

And 1992 Juan Gonzales had a .304 OBP with 43 homers and 2.9 rWAR.

Those all probably pass the acceptable threshold, but set a lower limit for productivity with 40+ homers.

[ChuckS]

If Chris can get the line up to/above .220, .300, .450 he's not hurting the team. I think you need a .750 OPS out of Chris with as much as he strikes out and considering his playing a power position (first base). Anything less doesn't really cut it.