Trade Watch (It starts)

[Il BuonO]

Tulowitzki is a little bit overrated. The last time he played more than 143 games was 2009 and his splits (no surprise) heavily favor playing at home (Coors Field).

Yes, and now he has the benefit of the guy in the stands at all the Blue Jays home games.

[TonySoprano]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Tulowitzki will receive a $2M assignment bonus for being traded and his contract converts to include full no-trade clause from here on out.</p>— Ken Rosenthal (@Ken_Rosenthal) <a href="

">July 28, 2015</a></blockquote>

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[weams]

Evidently Jeff Hoffman.

[sportsfan8703]

Cargo anyone?

[Herman]

This is pretty funny stuff Herman, even for you. Zobrist has been very highly rated by WAR, even MVP caliber in some years, and has often times been pointed out as guy that WAR/sabremetrics overvalues. He's basically been the poster boy for sabremetrics.

I'm glad that you find the irony funny. The thing is, anywho watches games and understands baseball would know that Zobrist is a good player. It doesn't take fangraphs to recognize that he is exactly the kind of player that the Orioles have needed.

While it's dangerous to lump together all sabermetricians, IMO this is an unfair indictment of most of those who are serious about sabermetrics. For the most part, they don't mind disagreement, they welcome different ways of looking at performance and value, and they freely take input from those with different perspectives. What sabermetricians have minded historically, and still mind, are those who dismiss sabermetrics because they don't understand what is going on, or just don't like it, or can't accept anything that departs from or goes beyond traditional ways of evaluating players.

I was referring to specific people and they know who they are. The self-rightous shtick is obnoxious.

Not all sabermetrics guys are evil lol. Baseball is more of a stat driven game than other sports and there are more individual stats involved. But it is still just a game and some people get a superiority complex based on the way that they choose to enjoy said game.

[CA-ORIOLE]

I'm glad that you find the irony funny. The thing is, anywho watches games and understands baseball would know that Zobrist is a good player. It doesn't take fangraphs to recognize that he is exactly the kind of player that the Orioles have needed.

More like hilarious than funny. You literally could not have picked out another player and made that post any more ridiculous.

[SteveO]

Really this year Reyes and Tulo have been worth about the same amount of WAR. So unless Tulo turns it around then it's not that much of an upgrade this season. Really, their pitching still sucks and they still consistently underperform their talent level and will in all likelihood continue to rack up the run differential but be a .500 team because they can't pitch.

Tulo has more offensive upside IMO if a trade to a team more ready and ina better position to contend reenergizes him some. Not sure that upside is wirth what they gave up though.

I gotta feeling that the Jays will get a SP upgrade also and likely another BP arm also. This move makes me think that the Jays are going to be aggressive.

Good news is moves like that will diminish their minor league talent some. They have a few horses to spare though comparitively to us.

Not that it matters to much but they also got latroy Hawkins in the deal

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[TonySoprano]

Evidently Jeff Hoffman.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">BREAKING: <a href="https://twitter.com/jackcorrigan2">@jackcorrigan2</a> says on <a href="https://twitter.com/850KOA">@850koa</a> there might be another team involved in <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Tulo?src=hash">#Tulo</a> trade.</p>— Mike Rice (@MRiceKOA) <a href="

">July 28, 2015</a></blockquote>

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[Machado13]

@ChrisCotillo: Also hearing third team may be involved in Tulowitzki blockbuster. NOT confirmed.

@Ken_Rosenthal: Sources: #Dodgers discussing Alex Guerrero in trades, looking for pitching in return. Guerrero, if traded, can become FA at end of season?

[TonySoprano]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Jose Reyes likely to be flipped by <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Rockies?src=hash">#Rockies</a>. Colorado has highly regarded shortstop prospect Trevor Story at Triple-A.</p>— Jon Morosi (@jonmorosi) <a href="

">July 28, 2015</a></blockquote>

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[BradyBunch]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Jose Reyes likely to be flipped by <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Rockies?src=hash">#Rockies</a>. Colorado has highly regarded shortstop prospect Trevor Story at Triple-A.</p>— Jon Morosi (@jonmorosi) <a href="

">July 28, 2015</a></blockquote>

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So Reyes to Mets?

[TonySoprano]

So Reyes to Mets?

One would figure it would have to be a big market team to take on the salary, $22M/ yr through 2018.

Yankees? They're used to having subpar defense at SS for years

[oriolesacox]

@jonmorosi: Miguel Castro likely going to #Rockies in the Tulowitzki blockbuster, source says. #BlueJays

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[ArtVanDelay]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Chris Vass of <a href="https://twitter.com/MLBNetworkRadio">@MLBNetworkRadio</a> says the Rockies will eat $6 of the approximate $105M owed to Tulo. Not $6M, $6.00.</p>— CJ Nitkowski (@CJNitkowski) <a href="

">July 28, 2015</a></blockquote>

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[BradyBunch]

@jonmorosi: Miguel Castro likely going to #Rockies in the Tulowitzki blockbuster, source says. #BlueJays

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There has to be something more.. specially taking on dead weight in Hawkins.