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I would trade for Votto. He's a great player.

$20 million in 2016, $22 million in 2017 and $25 million in each of the following six seasons. The Reds have a $20 million option for 2024 with a $7 million buyout

A minimum 200 million eight year. The Chris Davis deal!

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Joey Votto is your first baseman tomorrow if you want the contract. He's the Todd Helton of his era.

The Reds would have to eat some of the contract ...but Votto has an OPS of 1000. He also had a OBP of .423 this year and a career number in that ballpark. Yeah he'd be an easy choice for me over Davis.

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Joey Votto is your first baseman tomorrow if you want the contract. He's the Todd Helton of his era.

Is that true? Bad enough that they traded Frazier and may move Phillips and Bruce, and tried to move Chapman. It would be a PR disaster to dump Votto. His salary is completely reasonable.

.459 OBP and that was not even a career high! 7.6 WAR last year. That's Manny-esque. I would much rather have Votto for 8/$200 than Davis for 7/$150. I would give them Bundy and Mancini, but if I can get him in a salary dump that would be fine with me too.

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Is that true? Bad enough that they traded Frazier and may move Phillips and Bruce, and tried to move Chapman. It would be a PR disaster to dump Votto. His salary is completely reasonable.

.459 OBP and that was not even a career high! 7.6 WAR last year. That's Manny-esque. I would much rather have Votto for 8/$200 than Davis for 7/$150. I would give them Bundy and Mancini, but if I can get him in a salary dump that would be fine with me too.

Sure, but he only stole 11 bases so most of the time he'd just be clogging the basepaths. And imagine how many more RBI he'd have if he expanded his strikezone with runners on instead of relying on someone else to produce runs. Beggars can't be choosers but is this really what we want in Baltimore? Plus, imagine the chaos in the clubhouse when Coolbaugh orders him to swing hard at every close pitch.

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Is that true? Bad enough that they traded Frazier and may move Phillips and Bruce, and tried to move Chapman. It would be a PR disaster to dump Votto. His salary is completely reasonable.

.459 OBP and that was not even a career high! 7.6 WAR last year. That's Manny-esque. I would much rather have Votto for 8/$200 than Davis for 7/$150. I would give them Bundy and Mancini, but if I can get him in a salary dump that would be fine with me too.

The contract is categorized as un-tradable by all in the MLB. It extends into his 40s. Now, a couple more seasons like this last from him and in FA? Maybe then. Helton was a good player too.

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The contract is categorized as un-tradable by all in the MLB. It extends into his 40s. Now, a couple more seasons like this last from him and in FA? Maybe then. Helton was a good player too.

I could construct a reasonable HOF case for Helton. 54 fWAR isn't spectacular, but there are five HOF 1B who are below that. And many (maybe most) HOFers who didn't have his four 6+ win seasons. Votto could get there, too. He's over 40 wins at 32.

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The Reds would have to eat some of the contract ...but Votto has an OPS of 1000. He also had a OBP of .423 this year and a career number in that ballpark. Yeah he'd be an easy choice for me over Davis.

I would be so happy... I don't even think the Reds would need to eat much. Votto's getting a fair salary, it's the years that raise the red flag.

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I could construct a reasonable HOF case for Helton. 54 fWAR isn't spectacular, but there are five HOF 1B who are below that. And many (maybe most) HOFers who didn't have his four 6+ win seasons.

Helton will suffer like Walker is right now. Larry Walker is a HOF player, but the voters can't see past the Coors Field effect.

Joey Votto meanwhile is going to blow past Helton with good health. Easier said than done -- see Helton, who past age 31 had a 111 OPS+.

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