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I see Andy as the one who set up the foundation i.e. Adam, Manny, Schoop, Hardy, Tillman but that Dan finished it with guys like Chen, Cruz, Miller, and others. They both have their pros and cons as executives. I'm just happy that we've made it in the playoffs. In 2012, I remember thinking we never would make it into the playoffs again.

Yes, he got Cruz, who fell into his lap--then failed to resign him or anyone of importance the next year. Aside from Chen, where are his great draft pics or great trades? Has he found a Jake Arrieta like Epstein did? Has he hired a good manager like Epstein? No, Buck was already here. Has he signed a Lester type like Epstein? Aside from Chen, I don't see where he has done anything exceptional.

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Yes, he got Cruz, who fell into his lap--then failed to resign him or anyone of importance the next year. Aside from Chen, where are his great draft pics or great trades? Has he found a Jake Arrieta like Epstein did? Has he hired a good manager like Epstein? No, Buck was already here. Has he signed a Lester type like Epstein? Aside from Chen, I don't see where he has done anything exceptional.

How about making sure the Oriole Minor league system, developed the guys like Joseph, who they kept moving around.

Kinda of early to be beating up on DD for his draft picks, since they take time to progress through the process. Let's see what Harvey does.

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He did state, he wanted to improve the pitching, but you have to admit free agent prices went through the roof, and not sure anybody expected it to go as crazy as it did.

David Price is a very good pitcher. IMO David Price is not worth 31 million a year.

Not every pitcher available, was worthy of picking up either, some were available, for a good reason. Again, IMO.

Including Gallardo. Not worth the pick and there was a valid reason why they got him on the cheap.

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Including Gallardo. Not worth the pick and there was a valid reason why they got him on the cheap.

You could be right, the jury is out, thats for sure.

But, DD knew Chen was gone.

I suspect DD was aware that Gonzo started having issues midway through last season.

He knew he had some decent young arms in the system, but do you go with 1 or 2 into the starting rotation?

I think he was hoping to get a veteran starter that could put 180+ innings in, and help the team for the WS Trophy.

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Yes, he got Cruz, who fell into his lap--then failed to resign him or anyone of importance the next year. Aside from Chen, where are his great draft pics or great trades? Has he found a Jake Arrieta like Epstein did? Has he hired a good manager like Epstein? No, Buck was already here. Has he signed a Lester type like Epstein? Aside from Chen, I don't see where he has done anything exceptional.
What he has done is find a way to field a consistently winning team while being straight jacketed by the worst owner in MLB.
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It seems to me that Andy knows how to build a good "base" but lacks the vision to see what is necessary to get the final pieces.

More of a present quality for future + guy. Not much for supplementing at the margins or finding diamonds in the rough.

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Yes, he got Cruz, who fell into his lap--then failed to resign him or anyone of importance the next year. Aside from Chen, where are his great draft pics or great trades? Has he found a Jake Arrieta like Epstein did? Has he hired a good manager like Epstein? No, Buck was already here. Has he signed a Lester type like Epstein? Aside from Chen, I don't see where he has done anything exceptional.

Where to start here? DD got Brad Brach on a trade. Draft picks? Kevin Gausman waves to you. Also Hunter Harvey, Chance Sisco and Trey Mancini.

Theo Epstein didn't find Jake Arrieta. Arrieta needed a new start, but it's the Orioles that found him. He just clashed with Orioles staff. It happens.

Joey Rickard is our "Arrieta" right now. Everything he touches turns to gold. Then there is this 3B in the minors called Jomar Reyes.

Epstein and Lester was a forgone conclusion because both of their "careers" started at the same time in Boston.

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A quote from mlb.com today

"This core group of Birds has been together for five seasons, and in that time, they've won more regular-season games than any other American League team. They've also committed the fewest errors.

This run coincides with Dan Duquette taking over as the executive vice president of baseball operations. No general manager has done a better job of unearthing talent without spending wild amounts of money.

http://m.mlb.com/news/article/171917088/orioles-7-0-start-to-season-not-a-surprise

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