PED Suspensions Coming

[MagicBird]

Yes, but it's not as black and white as that. There are times where a unique situation calls for a unique point of view and being able to think outside the box and assess a situation based on that unique situation. I don't

think MLB is going to let anything get carried away, but he proved to MLB that there was no intent and that it was an honest mistake which apparently means nothing to some people. Some just love the witch hunt and

will reject the facts in order to continue it. Again, accidents happen; we're all human beings and fallibility is fundamental to who we are as human beings. There is no cure and it cannot be overcome and this need to be

absolute with everything isn't a good thing because not all things neatly fit into the box that was created for it.

I agree, but at the same time life isnt always fair.

[MagicBird]

We disagree on that. The only scandals are those trying to get around the agreed upon rules. There are no witch hunts for anyone that is not flaunting his breaking of the rules. Now, do I agree with the things that MLB did to corner A-Rod? No. But I am glad he was caught.

Make this sport clean. The other sports including olympics will end up dying because they aren't. It's a different world view than back in the '90s.

Aroid brought that all on himself, so it didnt bother me. Actually I celebrated it!

[Can_of_corn]

Aroid brought that all on himself, so it didnt bother me. Actually I celebrated it!

I didn't. The Yanks got a year of salary relief out of that suspension.

[MagicBird]

I didn't. The Yanks got a year of salary relief out of that suspension.

There still stuck with him. And Skankee fans always have to tell you how they dont like the guy as if its some sorta conscience cleansing exercise.

[BohKnowsBmore]

I missed the post that labeled it a travesty. Could you refer me to it.

The word travesty was not used. My use of "some travesty," implies that I am summarizing or generalizing my understanding of Sessh's position. Further, a travesty is defined as, "something that is shocking, upsetting, or ridiculous because it is not what it is supposed to be."

Sessh, with whom I was discussing back-and-forth, stated in various posts that the drug program and the treatment of Mondesei were "not right," "not fair," "wrong" and "ridiculous." I could go back further and quote posts to interpret them to explain how I got to my read of them, but I think you can see that my description was not unfair nor off the mark, and that would be quite time consuming. The line of discussion to which I was responding was certainly not of the tone "I think the process would be more fair if X," rather it approached the subject as though Mondesei had been wronged by the MLB.

[BohKnowsBmore]

I didn't. The Yanks got a year of salary relief out of that suspension.

Contrary to the seemingly inflexible policy toward players, where even in the case of apparently honest mistakes (I don't actually know enough about what happened, but let's assume the Mondesei situation was such a mistake), which serves to put the onus on the player to be ultimately responsible for what goes into their bodies, there is almost no mechanism forcing teams to bear the responsibility for a player who fails a test. Losing a well-performing player obviously hurts a team, but in the case of A-rod, the Yankees were likely quite happy to be off the hook for one year of his contract.

Personally, I am of the opinion that a system more akin to the NFL, where the lost game checks are donated to charity, would be better. Perhaps some of the money could fund the testing program, while more of it could go to organizations that combat teen drug use. Doesn't specifically have to be those, but the team should still be on the hook somewhat for their commitment.

I don't know, though, how this would work in the case of a lifetime ban. The NFL has non-guaranteed contracts, which make the system a little easier for teams. While this concern may seem a bit contradictory to what I said previously, that's because it probably is to some degree. I am trying to ponder where the middle ground would be, that punishes teams but isn't a complete death knell in the case of a $100M contract combined with a lifetime ban.

[Babypowder]

Sorry I disagree. For the life of me I can't figure out why but the use of this stuff inexplicably drives baseball fans into a rage while everyone else shrugs.

I'll never understand it. Every baseball player who gets caught is a villain forever.

Ray Lewis reportedly uses a banned substance for several years and I hear a few jokes about it for a day and it's never mentioned again. He's still worshipped.

[weams]

I'll never understand it. Every baseball player who gets caught is a villain forever.

Ray Lewis reportedly uses a banned substance for several years and I hear a few jokes about it for a day and it's never mentioned again. He's still worshipped.

Yeah. I like baseball and baseball players much better myself.

[weams]

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What's the culprit this time? Tainted guacamole at Chuy's?

[weams]

What's the culprit this time? Tainted guacamole at Chuy's?

Heroin. Or something.

[Can_of_corn]

What's the culprit this time? Tainted guacamole at Chuy's?

Honduran ham.

[El Gordo]

Football players and Basket ball players are already gargantuan. Baseball players are relatively normal looking. So when they start looking like football players it is noticeable. Why did Congress focus on PEDs in the MLB? Because it was more obvious. And there was the whole stats thing.

[TakebackOPACY]

Uggh. Let's clear up a few things.

• Clenbuterol is an effective PED. It's a muscle builder and fat burner. It's a Hollywood skinny drug. It's used in steroid stacks very effectively. It's most well-known use is for when bodybuilders go from building bulk to preparing for a show.
  
• There is no good reason for it to be in cold/flu medicine. It causes body temperature to go up. That said, its legal use in the US is for horses with asthma.
  
• More likely, you'd have Clen in a cold/flu medicine because the medicine would, in theory, counter some of the side effects of the clen. Or, it'd be sold under the guise of cold/flu medication when the real purpose was as a fat burner/muscle builder.
  
• Clen clears the system in 24-48 hours. It is exactly the kind of PED players would cycle right before they had to report. And with the earlier testing period catching players this year, we shouldn't be surprised someone got caught using it.
  
• The deduction to 50 games from 80 games wasn't because MLB was nice under the circumstances that Mondesi didn't 'knowingly' cheat. I'm sure the testers believe he did knowingly cheat. It was simply a result of following the negotiated rules. If he were an Olympic athlete, for example, the rules would've been a two year ban from international competition. I'm sure he's glad he has a union right now.
  
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[El Gordo]

Uggh. Let's clear up a few things.

• Clenbuterol is an effective PED. It's a muscle builder and fat burner. It's a Hollywood skinny drug. It's used in steroid stacks very effectively. It's most well-known use is for when bodybuilders go from building bulk to preparing for a show.
• There is no good reason for it to be in cold/flu medicine. It causes body temperature to go up. That said, its legal use in the US is for horses with asthma.
• More likely, you'd have Clen in a cold/flu medicine because the medicine would, in theory, counter some of the side effects of the clen. Or, it'd be sold under the guise of cold/flu medication when the real purpose was as a fat burner/muscle builder.
• Clen clears the system in 24-48 hours. It is exactly the kind of PED players would cycle right before they had to report. And with the earlier testing period catching players this year, we shouldn't be surprised someone got caught using it.
• The deduction to 50 games from 80 games wasn't because MLB was nice under the circumstances that Mondesi didn't 'knowingly' cheat. I'm sure the testers believe he did knowingly cheat. It was simply a result of following the negotiated rules. If he were an Olympic athlete, for example, the rules would've been a two year ban from international competition. I'm sure he's glad he has a union right now.

What do the negotiated rules say about cold meds? Why would there be any leniency because that was the source? Do you know?