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Are you in favor of the Miley trade?  

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  1. 1. Are you in favor of the Miley trade?

    • Yes. He's an upgrade and the cost is reasonable
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    • Yes. Not sure if he's an upgrade, but he gives us flexibility.
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    • No. He's not an upgrade.
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    • No. Even if he's a slight upgrade, Miranda was too much to give up
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    • No. Even if he's a slight upgrade, his contract is too expensive compared to his value.
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mrpennybags Major Leaguer Cup of Coffee

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Miley would need to put up 1 WAR next season to be worth his salary. Seems a lot of you people forget how expensive mediocre pitching is. Good guys get 30M a year.

This was my thinking. Even the monetary cost isn't much assuming you don't have enough MLB-ready young pitching (which we apparently don't.)

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LookitsPuck Hangout Grand Counsel

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8 quality starts out of 19 this year

He's allowed 5 or more runs 5 times

He's allowed 4 or more runs 9 times

He's gone 5 or more innings 15 out of 19 times this year

He's gone 6 or more 13 out of 19 times this year

He's gone 7 or more 4 times

Since June: 5.02 ERA .276/.335/.432 - .767 OPS, 1.404 WHIP, 6 homers, 52 IP in 9 games for an average of 5 2/3 IP.

Since July: 3.45 ERA .248/.306/.407 - .714 OPS, 4 homers

The main issue is the gopher balls. 18 homers in only 112 IP for a 1.4 HR/9. For reference, Gausman has allowed 19 in 103 IP.

AL East career numbers:

NYY: 5.52 ERA in 5 games

BOS: Never faced

TOR: 6.04 ERA in 5 games

TAM: 2.81 ERA in 8 games

At Camden Yards: .308/.362/.538 - .901 OPS in 3 games

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LookinUp Hangout Grand Counsel

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It's because he was facing the Orioles juggernaut offense :)

J/k...hopefully it works out and he keeps trending based on the July starts.

I think this is a better move for next year than it is for this year. We now have a decent 1-5 going into the offseason. That allows us to actually develop guys.

For this year, it's a small net +, IMO. It's not the move we need to put us over the top unless somehow it gets us to the playoffs and all of Bundy, Gausman and Tillman can carry us. That possibility seems more realistic next year though.

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Aristotelian Hangout Grand Counsel

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Miley would need to put up 1 WAR next season to be worth his salary. Seems a lot of you people forget how expensive mediocre pitching is. Good guys get 30M a year.

Sure. But if you fill a whole roster with 1 WAR guys you only get to 25 WAR. That would get you to 72 wins. You need to find your 1 WAR guys from your system and pay them $500K, but if your whole roster is filled with guys who are out of options you are never going to do that. We are already severely constrained with guys who are out of options and this just adds to the list.

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SpinJr Major Leaguer Cup of Coffee

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Miley would need to put up 1 WAR next season to be worth his salary. Seems a lot of you people forget how expensive mediocre pitching is. Good guys get 30M a year.

This is where my head is at. If he pitches well next year we may even pick up the $12M dollar option. Nothing but and upside move IMO.

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8 quality starts out of 19 this year

He's allowed 5 or more runs 5 times

He's allowed 4 or more runs 9 times

He's gone 5 or more innings 15 out of 19 times this year

He's gone 6 or more 13 out of 19 times this year

He's gone 7 or more 4 times

Since June: 5.02 ERA .276/.335/.432 - .767 OPS, 1.404 WHIP, 6 homers, 52 IP in 9 games for an average of 5 2/3 IP.

Since July: 3.45 ERA .248/.306/.407 - .714 OPS, 4 homers

The main issue is the gopher balls. 18 homers in only 112 IP for a 1.4 HR/9. For reference, Gausman has allowed 19 in 103 IP.

AL East career numbers:

NYY: 5.52 ERA in 5 games

BOS: Never faced

TOR: 6.04 ERA in 5 games

TAM: 2.81 ERA in 8 games

At Camden Yards: .308/.362/.538 - .901 OPS in 3 games

The home runs has to be a concern, considering he is going from a pitcher's park to a hitter's park.

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DrungoHazewood Hangout Grand Counsel

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It's fine. They get a pitcher who sponges up generic innings, allowing Ubaldo to fall down in the parking lot again. And they gave up a 27-year-old who was just pitching okay in a depressed run environment in AAA. The Orioles got a little bit better, maybe getting the new Joe Saunders, maybe Scott Feldman, while giving up a lukewarm body.

Has someone started the Miranda = Arrieta thread yet? Should I just go ahead and do that?

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It's fine. They get a pitcher who sponges up generic innings, allowing Ubaldo to fall down in the parking lot again. And they gave up a 27-year-old who was just pitching okay in a depressed run environment in AAA. The Orioles got a little bit better, maybe getting the new Joe Saunders, maybe Scott Feldman, while giving up a lukewarm body.

Has someone started the Miranda = Arrieta thread yet? Should I just go ahead and do that?

In fairness, Miranda had something like a 1.7 ERA over his last 7-8 starts in AAA, right? His results had some of us message board guys hoping he'd get a shot. I'm sure the O's knew what he was though - see Tony's post re: scouts saying his command was not good enough - so they still decided the ML value from Miley was worth the financial outlay. This is how deals are made. They saved money. We got some now value. Nobody got fleeced, per se.

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DrungoHazewood Hangout Grand Counsel

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In fairness, Miranda had something like a 1.7 ERA over his last 7-8 starts in AAA, right? His results had some of us message board guys hoping he'd get a shot.

Oh, I don't know. If so, why would those 7-8 starts be more important than the prior 11 or 12 where his ERA must have been over 5.00, since it's about 4.00 now?

You probably know my position - any SSS results have to be taken with a giant grain of salt unless you know of specific actions the player has taken to fundamentally change his game. And even then you just back it off to a moderately-sized grain.

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CanadianOriole Major Leaguer Cup of Coffee

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Wade Miley is just not very good. Joe Saunders 2.0 - an uninspiring move during a season where we have a legit to go for it. If we're going to go for it - pay the price to make an impact move. This is just rearranging the deck chairs on the ship - Wade Miley being any better over the last two months of the season than pretty much any starter we could promote from the minors or pick off the scrapheap is basically a coin flip.

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