Boras, Orioles set to discuss Wieters extension

[Superbee83]

I know it is. But how often do catchers get pulled that late in the game? I just don't think the sample size is large enough to be meaningful.

IIRC, Greg Zaun did catch randy Myers in save situations in 96. ( Mostly in one inning situations.)

I remember because Zaun would hand his equipment bag to the bat boy when He would come in from the bullpen.

[Can_of_corn]

IIRC, Greg Zaun did catch randy Myers in save situations in 96. ( Mostly in one inning situations.)

I remember because Zaun would hand his equipment bag to the bat boy when He would come in from the bullpen.

Nice find.

I was in Germany in '96 and didn't get to watch even a handful of games.

Figures dum dum would be the guy to try it.

[Ohfan67]

IIRC, Greg Zaun did catch randy Myers in save situations in 96. ( Mostly in one inning situations.)

I remember because Zaun would hand his equipment bag to the bat boy when He would come in from the bullpen.

Not quite. In '96 Zaun caught one inning 10 times and only about 50 or 60% of those involved a save. You may remember Zaun jogging in from the bullpen because DJ did use Zaun to catch two or three innings way more than Buck uses his backup in similar situations. A lot of the one and two inning stings were early in the season. Hoiles << Wieters and it looks more like Zaun was a straight up defensive replacement when Hoiles was unlikely to bat again or his at bat would matter. It also looks like DJ gave Hoiles a partial game break way more than Buck does Wieters (not surprising since Wieters' defense is arguably much better than his backups and Buck tends to run starters into the ground). Anyway, the game logs don't support the idea that Zaun caught Myers in save situations, but rather that Zaun was used as a late inning defensive replacement a decent amount (but not on a very regular basis once the season matured).

[Ohfan67]

I don't think any catcher has had more success in save siyuations than Wieters.

Tell me about! Baltimore has the highest saves percentage in MLB.

Pitcher >>>>>>>>> Catcher

[Superbee83]

Not quite. In '96 Zaun caught one inning 10 times and only about 50 or 60% of those involved a save. You may remember Zaun jogging in from the bullpen because DJ did use Zaun to catch two or three innings way more than Buck uses his backup in similar situations. A lot of the one and two inning stings were early in the season. Hoiles << Wieters and it looks more like Zaun was a straight up defensive replacement when Hoiles was unlikely to bat again or his at bat would matter. It also looks like DJ gave Hoiles a partial game break way more than Buck does Wieters (not surprising since Wieters' defense is arguably much better than his backups and Buck tends to run starters into the ground). Anyway, the game logs don't support the idea that Zaun caught Myers in save situations, but rather that Zaun was used as a late inning defensive replacement a decent amount (but not on a very regular basis once the season matured).

Thanks for the clarification.

I remember Zaun coming in.

It makes sense because Holes was continuously dinged up.

[WEAVERMAN]

Ugh. This is not the way to go. Let him walk. Sign a cheap one year stop gap and then let your no. 1 prospect take over who will be cost controlled for the next six years.

Machado and Tillman need to be the priorities. Not Wieters.

Well said, DD needs to get his act together, decline this meeting and get MM signed.

[jabba72]

If it prevents Tillman or Machado from signing, then bye-bye Wieters.

[Prayin4Reign]

The Orioles didn't sign Markakis, they're not going to go out of their way to sign Matt to a multi-year deal.

He's not going to sign for some 7-8 million dollar a deal contract, and that's not just because Boras is his agent. Just isn't going to happen. He's had some pretty huge hits in clutch situations this year. If you argue that you haven't been watching the games. Sometimes reason is in short supply.

[sevastras]

Are we talking about the same guy who was at one time referred to as "Switch Hitting Jesus" on this board? Amazing the standards he was once held to. If only we would have picked Madison Bumgardner in 2007, we would have been able to pick Buster Posey in 2008 and we would be wondering how to keep two more players with Manny.

[Dark Helmet]

Palmer brought up that no catcher catches foul tips like Wieters does. He's helped get alot of foul tipped strikeouts.

[ScottP]

If only we would have picked Madison Bumgardner in 2007

He would have languished in the minors for years, then been included in a 5-for-1 deal for Barry Zito.

[Matt]

I'd love to see some advanced metrics that show Wieters having some sort of extra value. But what I'm looking at is a catcher on the wrong side of 30 who put up a .9 WAR this year. Is he going to take a pay cut?

[Can_of_corn]

I'd love to see some advanced metrics that show Wieters having some sort of extra value. But what I'm looking at is a catcher on the wrong side of 30 who put up a .9 WAR this year. Is he going to take a pay cut?

I'd have to think the AAV would be going down.

[TINSTAAPP]

He would have languished in the minors for years, then been included in a 5-for-1 deal for Barry Zito.

And at the time, I remember a lot of the baseball insiders projecting Ross Detwiler to be selected by the Orioles. It would have been interesting to see how different things would have turned out if the Orioles had selected Ross Detwiler in the 2007 Draft and then selected Buster Posey in the 2008 Draft. On one hand, the Orioles would have gotten a much better player in Buster Posey. On the other hand, they likely would have won a few more games and not been able to draft Dylan Bundy and Kevin Gausman who are critical pieces to the Orioles future.

[El Gordo]

I think Wieters gets between 10-12 M and 3-4 years with a club option.