Affordable(?) Practical(?) Roster Changes

[ELMERO]

I'm new here, so please don't judge me too harshly.  If you think these thoughts totally suck, I'll go away and just continue to be a reader.

1. Sign OF Michael Bourne-2 Years

 

2. Sign LHRP Boone Logan-3 Years

 

3. Sign C Dioner Navarro-1 Year

 

4. Sign Of Franklin Guitierez-3 Years

 

5. Trade Brad Brach to Cleveland for OF Greg Allen or Of Anthony Santander

http://www.milb.com/player/index.jsp?sid=milb&player_id=656185#/career/R/hitting/2016/ALL

http://www.milb.com/player/index.jsp?sid=milb&player_id=623993#/career/R/hitting/2016/ALL

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

ROSTER

 

PITCHERS

 

RHSP CHRIS TILLMAN

RHSP KEVIN GAUSMAN

LHSP DREW MILEY

RHSP DYLAN BUNDY

RHSP UBALDO JIMINEZ

RHSP YOVANI GALLARDO

CLOSER ZACH BRITTON

RHRP DARREN O'DAY

RHRP MYCHAL GIVENS

LHRP  BOONE LOGAN

RHRP  OLIVER DRAKE

LHRP DONNIE HART

 

 

CATCHERS

 

C DIONER NAVARRO

C. CALEB JOSEPH OR FRANCISCO PENA

 

INFIELDERS

 

1B CHRIS DAVIS

2B JONATHAN SCHOOP

SS J.J. HARDY

3B MANNY MACHADO

UTILITY IF/OF RYAN FLAHERTY

 

OUTFIELDERS

 

 ADAM JONES 

JOEY RICKARD

HYUN SOO KIM

MICHAEL BOURNE

FRANKLIN GUITTIEREZ

 

 

DH

 

TREY MANCINI

 

LINE-UP (RHP)

 

RF MICHAEL BOURNE

LF HYUN SOO KIM

CF ADAM JONES

3B MANNY MACHADO

1B CHRIS DAVIS

DH TREY MANCIN

2B JONATHAN SCHOOP

SS J.J. HARDY

C DIONER NAVARO

 

 

(LHP)

 

LF JOEY RICKARD

CF ADAM JONES

3B MANNY MACHADO

DH TREY MANCINI

2B JONATHAN SCHOOP

1B CHRIS DAVIS

RF FRANKLIN GUITTIEREZ

SS J.J. HARDY

C CALEB JOSEPH OR FRANCISCO PENA

[Aristotelian]

Good suggestions. I agree, these are the type of moves I would expect. Getting something for Brach and replacing him with a lefty makes a lot of sense.

I have always liked Franklin Guttierez when healthy, although his dWAR plummeted last year. Relative to his innings, his defense appears to be almost as bad as Trumbo's. I haven't watched him closely enough to know if there is reason to believe his defense will come back. At the moment he looks suspiciously like a right-handed Parra. But, offensively he would be a good platoon match for Kim.

I am not sure about Navarro, although we are probably looking at someone like that.

[Babypowder]

Michael Bourn is a 34 year old replacement level player. Why do so many people seem to like him?

It only takes a handful of decent plate appearances?

[Ruzious]

Very interesting trade ideas for Brach - especially after you lowered expectations by starting out with signing Bourn.    

[ArtVanDelay]

Not bad suggestions. 

I'd probably look to bring back Bourne on a MiL deal instead of 2 years guaranteed. I'd offer Guittierez something like 1year/$4MM instead of 3 years. I'd skip signing Navarro and just roll with Joseph/Pena in this case (cringe worthy, I know). I like Boone Logan but 3 years would be too much for me. 

As for the Brach trade, I'd do it if we could get both guys instead of just one of them. 

[Camden_yardbird]

Perhaps I am valuing Brach too much but I feel like he should be able to get you Naquin.  Look at what relievers have been getting in trades.

[sportsfan8703]

I don't think this team can or has to spend any money on outside FA's for the bullpen.  In fact it's better for us to have an open spot to rotate through fresh arms.  Plus we have some really good bullpen arms that are really close to being in the bigs.  

I don't think guys like Bourn and Gutierrez should get that much of a commitment.  Those are the type of players that you want to be able to walk away from really easy if they struggle.  

With bats, I think it's a better use of resources just to spend money on guys that have more proven track records rather than take fliers for millions of dollars.  Like for instance this season, give me Trumbo and P.Alvarez and have guys making the min round out the position players.  Like Bourn and Mancini.  We're almost to the point at C where I see us just bringing in a few cheap vets on milb deals and let them battle it out for the 2nd C job with Joseph.  

[ELMERO]

1 hour ago, ArtVanDelay said:

Not bad suggestions. 

I'd probably look to bring back Bourne on a MiL deal instead of 2 years guaranteed. I'd offer Guittierez something like 1year/$4MM instead of 3 years. I'd skip signing Navarro and just roll with Joseph/Pena in this case (cringe worthy, I know). I like Boone Logan but 3 years would be too much for me. 

As for the Brach trade, I'd do it if we could get both guys instead of just one of them. 

I like the way you think.  I'm certainly not enthralled with Bourne  and Guittierez, but if they can't swing a trade for Adam Eaton or Kole Calhoun, (just coming off abdominal surgery) and because of Duquette's track record, those two guys look like the only plausible alternative.  The types of contracts you mentioned are more preferable, but to get those guys to come here, I think, would take more.  Same applies to Boone Logan  Other teams want him.  I'd love to have Eaton or Calhoun patrolling RF, but we can't give up Bundy, Gausman, Britton, Givens, Mancini or Sisco. I'm sure it would take two of that group to get either one.  Navarro, meh, but he's the only grizzled veteran C that we need that would be available for next to nothing.

[weams]

3 hours ago, Camden_yardbird said:

Perhaps I am valuing Brach too much but I feel like he should be able to get you Naquin.  Look at what relievers have been getting in trades.

He should bring back Naquin.

[ELMERO]

1 hour ago, weams said:

He should bring back Naquin.

I value everyone's opinion, especially yours. That would be a great swap for both clubs.  If you have Mr. Duquette's ear..........

[Tryptamine]

6 hours ago, weams said:

He should bring back Naquin.

Not a chance. There's no way 2 years of Brach is bringing back 6 years of a Naquin who, just finished 3rd in AL ROY and who also just put up 2.5fWAR in 365PA. 

[25 Nuggets]

42 minutes ago, Tryptamine said:

Not a chance. There's no way 2 years of Brach is bringing back 6 years of a Naquin who, just finished 3rd in AL ROY and who also just put up 2.5fWAR in 365PA. 

Not to mention Cleveland already has one of the best bullpens in baseball - they are one of the few teams that don't really need a Brad Brach.

Please feel free to stick around Elmero.  These are just my honest opinions:

1) Michael Bourn - Alejandro De Aza redux.  I wouldn't feel either way about this one.  We were happy to see De Aza go after the rough start he had in 2015, but then he played better in Boston, and even better in San Francisco.  Same with Bourn, he could give you a horrible couple months worth of play.  But Buck can mix-n-match him with Joey Rickard I guess.

2) Boone Logan - I like the idea of a lefty reliever, but not so much the cost for three years of Logan.  He is a LOOGY.  He gets about 2 outs per appearance.  So he's basically Brian Matusz.  This is the type of role where Duquette will reach in his bag of tricks and find a no-name for minimum price.  As it is, I don't know where Buck finds room in the bullpen for another lefty specialist, not without getting rid of one of those overpaid SPs.

3) Dioner Navarro - I am firmly not in the "roll with Caleb Joseph" camp so the team has to get somebody to catch.  I am ok, not thrilled with Nick Hundley here.  Navarro makes Hundley look like Ivan Rodriguez.  He can hit a little so he could go in the C2/DH role, but that's really where Chance Sisco should be given the "chance".  My plan B would be Kurt Suzuki.

4) Franklin Gutierrez - this is my favorite of your four signings.  Gutierrez is going way under the radar right now - his age is a concern but he is a former CF that hits LHP (career .846 OPS).  I wouldn't go 3 years but would definitely go after him as a rotation piece in the OF.

[Roll Tide]

I think Buck likes Bourn and a return is likely

[Redskins Rick]

1 minute ago, Roll Tide said:

I think Buck likes Bourn and a return is likely

1 year of Bourn might be a better solution than many of the other names that I have read about in OH.

 

[Aristotelian]

6 minutes ago, Redskins Rick said:

1 year of Bourn might be a better solution than many of the other names that I have read about in OH.

 

He can catch the ball, and that is incredibly important with our pitching staff. He will also put up good ABs and draw walks. If he would be open to a one year contract I would be fine with Bourne. Notwithstanding his drop in the Wild Card game, Bourn seems a little more consistent and less mistake-prone than a guy like De Aza in my opinion.