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24 minutes ago, wildcard said:

I have a lot more faith in Buck to match of hitter to pitcher than that.  And do you really think all those player are stay heathy on season and not slump?  So Alvarez has hit two homer off a pitching in the past and Smith is O for and you think Smith gets the playing time?

It's sad that Buck actually thinks like that. 

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12 minutes ago, ArtVanDelay said:

It's sad that Buck actually thinks like that. 

Does he?   He seems perfectly happy to run Machado, Schoop, Hardy, Davis, Trumbo and Jones out there no matter who's pitching and how they've done off that pitcher in the past.  As to the others, I can't say that specific pitcher matchups have been a regular basis for his decision making, though it may factor in on occasion.   

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1 minute ago, Frobby said:

Does he?   He seems perfectly happy to run Machado, Schoop, Hardy, Davis, Trumbo and Jones out there no matter who's pitching and how they've done off that pitcher in the past.  As to the others, I can't say that specific pitcher matchups have been a regular basis for his decision making, though it may factor in on occasion.   

He does.  Of course in the hierarchy of things Buck does plays the core takes precedence over pitcher/hitter matchups.  He used it as an excuse to play Flaherty over Kim in Boston earlier this year, even though Schoop had bad numbers against the same pitcher and actually plays a position Flaherty plays.

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8 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

He does.  Of course in the hierarchy of things Buck does plays the core takes precedence over pitcher/hitter matchups.  He used it as an excuse to play Flaherty over Kim in Boston earlier this year, even though Schoop had bad numbers against the same pitcher and actually plays a position Flaherty plays.

You mean the game where Schoop went 2 for 4?

Honestly, LF is about the only position Buck juggles at all.   If a RHP is on the mound, Smith is in RF unless he's hurt.    Castillo catches as much as he reasonably can, and I don't sense that pitcher matchups have any impact on when Joseph replaces him.     So I really think specific pitcher matchups are a very minor factor in who Buck plays.     And I don't think you'd see him juggling Smith and Alvarez based on tiny samples of who hit some pitcher better in the past.    

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3 minutes ago, Frobby said:

You mean the game where Schoop went 2 for 4?

Honestly, LF is about the only position Buck juggles at all.   If a RHP is on the mound, Smith is in RF unless he's hurt.    Castillo catches as much as he reasonably can, and I don't sense that pitcher matchups have any impact on when Joseph replaces him.     So I really think specific pitcher matchups are a very minor factor in who Buck plays.     And I don't think you'd see him juggling Smith and Alvarez based on tiny samples of who hit some pitcher better in the past.    

Yep!  Which is a point of course for not paying a lot of attention to matchups.

I also think Flaherty went 0-fer that game.

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3 hours ago, sportsfan8703 said:

This is 100% true.  Markakis didn't play there.  Machado didn't play there.  Schoop stuggled.  Weiters struggled.  Joseph struggled there.  In fact only Reimold and Chris Parmalee are the two only players in recent memory that have had big stretches down there.  Just goes to show how much of the game is confidence, and how terrrible and overrated are pitching prospects have been.  

Markakis and Machado were so good that they didn't need to stop there.

With Wieters - maybe it was indicative of his true outcome? He certainly never hit like he did in AA at any other level.

Schoop didn't hit much worse in Norfolk than he did in Bowie. He was just a very raw hitting talent. He's still kinda raw, he's just had a few years to smooth out some of his worst tendencies.

Caleb Joseph's Norfolk numbers have been more or less on course with his MLB career. He just isn't a very good hitter, but you don't necessarily need your backup catcher to be a good bat.

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4 hours ago, wildcard said:

Ok, tell me what you really think about him. Don't hold back so much.

I just didn't think I'd have to deep dive so much to show that Garabez Rosa is a non-factor.

Got nothing against the guy. But I've seen him play. Numerous times. I'm aware of his career arc and his performance. This guy is not in anyone's plans.

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6 minutes ago, FlipTheBird said:

I just didn't think I'd have to deep dive so much to show that Garabez Rosa is a non-factor.

Got nothing against the guy. But I've seen him play. Numerous times. I'm aware of his career arc and his performance. This guy is not in anyone's plans.

He is thrilled to be a Professional Baseball Player.  As is Lew Ford

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6 hours ago, wildcard said:

Maybe you are right.  But he is on a hot streak right now.   If he could help the O's for only a week or two that would be worth promoting him.   He plays everywhere for a position player and is killing lefties which would be good for a platoon in right field.

I am not saying it is something that Dan and Buck would do.   Just something I think would fit for a while.

Pedro could come up for Asner after Fri. start - 5th starner not needed until Sat June 10 (which could be Ubaldo if he's available.)

Brings back 5 man bench and a proven pinch hitter! B|

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8 hours ago, Frobby said:

Also, we are at 4.49 right now.    4.38 was before yesterday's game.   That just goes to show how quickly these things move around.     

And 4.54 after tonight's game -- just sayin'.

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Just now, RZNJ said:

Maybe the extension is whichever happens first.

1) O's have an injury or some other reason to call Pedro up

2) Pedro has a ML offer from another team

I have to think Pedro would have opted out if he actually had a ML spot with another team.  

I was not aware that he could be offered a job while under contract? I think that is absolutely forbidden. Or have his agent shop around. Even when they do opt out, there is a window that the club can still activate instead. 

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