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...and I know it has in a round about way.

The loss of Wallace and Chiti seems apparent now. Whatever they brought to the table, McDowell and Mills are not replicating it. Not entirely sure if we're going to take the article pointing fingers at Brady as factual, but for our fall-off to be so complete and so thorough, it would go a long way to showing how good Wallace and Chiti were. 

Maybe we might have one guy have a bad start, but this is significant. This is clearly connected to our coaching, and while I'm not going to discount injury, there is absolutely no reasons for the drop-off of Bundy and Gausman.

Someone needs to make the point that McDowell and Mills need to be held accountable for this.

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It's a possible explanation, but not the only one.    I doubt they'll fire anyone midseason in any event.  

By the way, how has Bundy had a drop off?   He hasn't pitched well lately, but overall he's had a good year with a much heavier workload.   

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13 minutes ago, Frobby said:

It's a possible explanation, but not the only one.    I doubt they'll fire anyone midseason in any event.  

By the way, how has Bundy had a drop off?   He hasn't pitched well lately, but overall he's had a good year with a much heavier workload.   

Well last night was evidence enough for me. He started the season out ok, but there was no sign of life last night.

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13 minutes ago, big_sparxx said:

Well last night was evidence enough for me. He started the season out ok, but there was no sign of life last night.

Anyone can have a bad day.   Bundy had several starts last year that were as bad or worse than that one.   Overall, he's had 11 quality starts in 15 outings.    I think he's showing signs of fatigue now, but that's got nothing to do with the coaching.    

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You might make a case for Gausman but I suspect that Bundy's problem in arm strength from not pitching these many innings in this short of a time before.

Wallace may have something that McDowell doesn't.   Not sure about Chiti vs Mills.

The real question is how does it get fixed.   Can the O's add someone that can help Gausman?

I agree that a firing mid season is unlikely.  But adding a coach is possible.

 

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Just now, Frobby said:

Anyone can have a bad day.   Bundy had several starts last year that were as bad or worse than that one.   Overall, he's had 11 quality starts in 15 outings.    I think he's showing signs of fatigue now, but that's got nothing to do with the coaching.    

you think so... so it must be true. All the others are failing, and it's all because they had a bad day.

what's the point? 

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46 minutes ago, Frobby said:

It's a possible explanation, but not the only one.    I doubt they'll fire anyone midseason in any event.  

By the way, how has Bundy had a drop off?   He hasn't pitched well lately, but overall he's had a good year with a much heavier workload.   

I think he was due for regression looking at his peripherals. So I don't see it as a drop off, I just see it as his traditional numbers starting to normalize and match his expected production. FIP is over 4.6 and xFIP is over 5. He's just not as agood as his ERA was previously indicating. I want to know why his peripherals have seen such a stark drop off from 2016.

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If you put everything into perspective, it's really on Gausman who has failed miserably.

Bundy is not THAT bad.. the whole team is struggling.

Miley and Ubaldo are being.. Miley and Ubaldo.

Tillman is (apparently) still hurting.

Asher was totally a risk that has not panned out as SP.

O'Day is hurt. Brach has pitched well over the last few weeks.

The BP has been overused (see: SP) which is a result of the domino effect.

DD has signed a bunch of pitchers who weren't really very good. Most of them have options, which is what DD wants.

I get totally frustrated by the walks.. that's on the pitcher, not the coach. But yes, plenty of blame to go around.

Oh, and I don't like the constant shuffling between Norfolk and Baltimore. A move here and there ..yes. If you are doing it to keep arms fresh.. I get it. However, to what extent? Are you scaring the younger (future O's) pitchers so much, they're afraid to make a mistake?

 

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2 hours ago, Frobby said:

It's a possible explanation, but not the only one.    I doubt they'll fire anyone midseason in any event.  

By the way, how has Bundy had a drop off?   He hasn't pitched well lately, but overall he's had a good year with a much heavier workload.   

Bundy has not been great since he was a child. 

 

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I know Buck was not crazy about him but the minor league pitchers have not been good, The Norfolk ERA's are sky high. Also seems like when we call up pitchers from the minors that they are all working on developing pitches or refining their motion. Shouldn't that be done in the minors and not at a major league level.

 

Rick Peterson -- a well-known former major league pitching coach who has served as the Orioles director of pitching development for the past five seasons – will not return for 2017.

“I appreciate Rick Peterson’s effort and good work for five years to develop pitching at all levels for the O’s and wish him well,” Orioles executive vice president Dan Duquette said Saturday in a text message. “Rick has a solid track record helping pitchers and is well-respected throughout baseball.”

 

http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/orioles/blog/bal-orioles-director-of-pitching-development-rick-peterson-will-not-return-in-2017-20161112-story.html

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