So why haven't there been extension talks with Manny in 2 years?

[mcgraw238]

24 minutes ago, PAOriolesFan said:

According to someone I know very connected with the O's, a potential extension was brought to ownership a couple of years ago for approval and it was shot down. I have not seen it reported elsewhere, but would it honestly surprise anyone? 

This doesn't surprise me. A quality GM would have worked his tail off to get Manny signed well before free agency. If ownership shot down an extension several years back, then that actually adds context to DD's statement that no talks have been held for a couple years...what would be the point? I'm shocked that the organization found it's way out of the losing to make the 5 year run. 

[eddie83]

1 hour ago, interloper said:

It would not surprise me, no, and would be a valid reason why Dan gave no explicit reasoning in that sound bite. Still, just don't say it. There's no need to give those details unless  you're salty about ownership or the player's agent, which either way is a bad look.

Was he asked a direct question?  I don’t know.  

[interloper]

10 minutes ago, RZNJ said:

Please!!!!!

 

Any criticism regarding an extension to Manny should not be addressed to the GM.   That's a joke.    That stuff is 100% in the hands of others.     If there was no communication it was because ownership decided that he shouldn't or couldn't be signed.    Probably the latter and they also probably forbade their GM from exploring trades last offseason even though they knew Manny would be walking after this year. 

Let's all wake up and smell the coffee.   Duquette does the day to day small stuff.   He does the leg work.   Buck has veto power and ownership gets involved in any heavy negotiations, particularly with their own players.   

I absolutely agree (other than Buck having veto power, which I tend to disagree with when it comes to major roster decisions). I'm complaining about optics more than the lack of negotiations. The lack of negotiations starts and ends with Angelos, obviously. Dan didn't need to air that out and make himself look bad to others, though that's sort of been his MO. 

[Roll Tide]

2 hours ago, interloper said:

Duquette admitted as much, for some reason. It makes him sound incompetent out of context, but he didn't really provide any context or reasoning. In text, it just sounds like he wasn't interested in extending Manny. 

What possible reason could there be for :

a) not trying to hold extension talks over the last two years

b) admitting to that

He asked for 300 + million dollars and Angelos said no

[Justinlstn]

Orioles should of been proactive in trying to get a long term extension on Manny and if he was balking on the idea or demanding more then they were willing to pay they should of tried to move him when his value was at his highest. Not when he is about to hit FA.

[Aristotelian]

Takes two to tango. If Peter's starting price is $200M and Manny's is $400M, there is no point in talking. His price has only gotten higher in the last two years. It's also possible Manny doesn't particularly like Baltimore and just said flat "no". 

[Frobby]

http://baltimore.cbslocal.com/2017/09/22/report-baltimore-orioles-manny-machado-contract-extension/

Manny wasn’t asking for $300 mm.    It was during his pre-arb years and before his offense really took off (though his talent was completely undeniable IMO).    The O’s blew their very good opportunity to lock Manny up and seemingly didn’t try very hard after that.   It’s mind-blowing.   

[El Gordo]

2 hours ago, interloper said:

Agree, but none of those reasons have been explicitly stated, so Dan just looks like kind of a lazy idiot. Lol. 

Why would DD make public any of those reasons. Makes you look rather naive IMP..

[interloper]

7 minutes ago, El Gordo said:

Why would DD make public any of those reasons. Makes you look rather naive IMP..

Why would he mention it at all then? Just say extension progress hasn't been made. 

[interloper]

8 minutes ago, Frobby said:

http://baltimore.cbslocal.com/2017/09/22/report-baltimore-orioles-manny-machado-contract-extension/

Manny wasn’t asking for $300 mm.    It was during his pre-arb years and before his offense really took off (though his talent was completely undeniable IMO).    The O’s blew their very good opportunity to lock Manny up and seemingly didn’t try very hard after that.   It’s mind-blowing.   

This is what I'm saying. But it stems from Angelos, not Dan.

[Frobby]

6 minutes ago, Aristotelian said:

Takes two to tango. If Peter's starting price is $200M and Manny's is $400M, there is no point in talking. His price has only gotten higher in the last two years. It's also possible Manny doesn't particularly like Baltimore and just said flat "no". 

If so, Manny’s repeatedly lied to the press about it.

http://www.12up.com/posts/4483297-manny-machado-says-he-wants-to-remain-with-orioles-long-term

https://www.pressboxonline.com/2016/07/14/espns-jim-bowden-manny-machado-wants-to-stay-an-oriole

https://www.google.com/amp/www.baltimorebaseball.com/2017/01/28/machado-says-orioles-havent-discussed-contract-extension/amp/

[Redskins Rick]

Just now, interloper said:

This is what I'm saying. But it stems from Angelos, not Dan.

Just doesn't add up, the same Angelos that overrode DD and ended up outbidding himself.

[Redskins Rick]

Just now, Frobby said:

If so, Manny’s repeatedly lied to the press about it.

http://www.12up.com/posts/4483297-manny-machado-says-he-wants-to-remain-with-orioles-long-term

https://www.pressboxonline.com/2016/07/14/espns-jim-bowden-manny-machado-wants-to-stay-an-oriole

https://www.google.com/amp/www.baltimorebaseball.com/2017/01/28/machado-says-orioles-havent-discussed-contract-extension/amp/

I dont think he has, Manny acts like he enjoys playing here and he seams to get along very well with his teammates and Buck. IMO

[interloper]

1 minute ago, Redskins Rick said:

Just doesn't add up, the same Angelos that overrode DD and ended up outbidding himself.

Angelos makes no sense, what can I say.

[Redskins Rick]

1 minute ago, interloper said:

Angelos makes no sense, what can I say.

As much as people dislike the man, he is not a total idiot, the man has a sharp business sense.

Nobody amasses that kind of money is an total clown.