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From the beginning the Orioles have said they want two starters in any trade involving Manny Machado. We've been hearing the NYY are still trying to add more starters. Will they add a 6th and 7th? Why?  To trade 2 of them in the package for Manny.

Just suppose ! 

The Yankees offer

Sonny Gray and Luis Severino for Manny.

 

Severino made $550,975 in 2017 is 23 and under control until 2023 and Gray 28 made $3,575,000 in 2017 arb eligible soon to be 29.and under control until 2020.

Depending on the rumor the Yankees have been close to signing Darvish or Cobb and trading for Gerrit Cole. They can make these moves at any time.

Would they miss Gray who they just obtained last July and Severino who has only been with them a couple of years. Not if they are replacing them with Darvish, Cobb or Cole.

The Orioles will owe Manny about $17 or $17.5 mill this year in his last year.  We will save a lot making this trade. Enough to sign Lance Lynn?

Decision time is near!

 

 

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1 minute ago, section18 said:

From the beginning the Orioles have said they want two starters in any trade involving Manny Machado. We've been hearing the NYY are still trying to add more starters. Will they add a 6th and 7th? Why?  To trade 2 of them in the package for Manny.

Just suppose ! 

The Yankees offer

Sonny Gray and Luis Severino for Manny.

 

Severino made $550,975 in 2017 is 23 and under control until 2023 and Gray 28 made $3,575,000 in 2017 arb eligible soon to be 29.and under control until 2020.

Depending on the rumor the Yankees have been close to signing Darvish or Cobb and trading for Gerrit Cole. They can make these moves at any time.

Would they miss Gray who they just obtained last July and Severino who has only been with them a couple of years. Not if they are replacing them with Darvish, Cobb or Cole.

The Orioles will owe Manny about $17 or $17.5 mill this year in his last year.  We will save a lot making this trade. Enough to sign Lance Lynn?

Decision time is near!

 

 

There is a 0% chance the Yankees include Severino in any package for Manny.  Sorry.

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5 minutes ago, section18 said:

From the beginning the Orioles have said they want two starters in any trade involving Manny Machado. We've been hearing the NYY are still trying to add more starters. Will they add a 6th and 7th? Why?  To trade 2 of them in the package for Manny.

Just suppose ! 

The Yankees offer

Sonny Gray and Luis Severino for Manny.

 

Severino made $550,975 in 2017 is 23 and under control until 2023 and Gray 28 made $3,575,000 in 2017 arb eligible soon to be 29.and under control until 2020.

Depending on the rumor the Yankees have been close to signing Darvish or Cobb and trading for Gerrit Cole. They can make these moves at any time.

Would they miss Gray who they just obtained last July and Severino who has only been with them a couple of years. Not if they are replacing them with Darvish, Cobb or Cole.

The Orioles will owe Manny about $17 or $17.5 mill this year in his last year.  We will save a lot making this trade. Enough to sign Lance Lynn?

Decision time is near!

 

 

I'd love to have Severino, but there's no chance the Yankee's trade him. They "might" deal Gray, but the Orioles really shouldn't be targeting soon to be 29 year old pitchers. That's not what they need. They need young pitchers under team control for at least a few years. 

Based on the Gerit Cole trade rumors, I think it's pretty clear the Yankee's aren't willing to go any higher than Frazier, in terms of trading their young prospects. Even Torres is supposedly off limits. 

Also, just for context I think Severino for Machado straight up would be a steal for the Orioles. 

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Yea, while Machado is extremely talented and valuable to an organization (the Yankees, in this case) he will cost 17 mil this year and if you want to keep him, at least 30 mil per year after that.  Severino, as the OP said, is making HALF a mil a year, is younger than Machado, and is under control until 2023.  Severino's value is significantly higher than Machado, I think we have to be realistic here and take a second to understand value from a long-term business standpoint.  We will never get that kind of a return for Manny at this point.  Not going to happen.

Same thing with everyone throwing around the idea of getting Devers from the Red Sox.  It just doesn't work that way.  Unfortunate, but true.

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2 minutes ago, joelala said:

Yea, while Machado is extremely talented and valuable to an organization (the Yankees, in this case) he will cost 17 mil this year and if you want to keep him, at least 30 mil per year after that.  Severino, as the OP said, is making HALF a mil a year, is younger than Machado, and is under control until 2023.  Severino's value is significantly higher than Machado, I think we have to be realistic here and take a second to understand value from a long-term business standpoint.  We will never get that kind of a return for Manny at this point.  Not going to happen.

Same thing with everyone throwing around the idea of getting Devers from the Red Sox.  It just doesn't work that way.  Unfortunate, but true.

Sad thing is that if we had went through this endeavor last offseason, we could have expected that type of return.

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Just now, clapdiddy said:

Sad thing is that if we had went through this endeavor last offseason, we could have expected that type of return.

Very true, though as has been stated before as well, it would have been extremely ballsy and pragmatic to trade our superstar the year after making the playoffs and returning pretty much the entire roster for 2017.  And the Orioles are neither ballsy or pragmatic :(

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Another point about the OP:  If the Yanks were willing trade Severino, I'd have to think he would have been the centerpiece in the Stanton deal.  Stanton is better than Machado and more valuable from a business standpoint as he has more years of team control.  The Yankees are not trading Severino.

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There is not going to be any one for one deals for Manny. It's interesting how we undervalue our players and overvalue other teams players.  The other teams may not have as high a value on their players.  The rich get richer and it's  a rich game with teams like NY and Boston. If Cashman gets Manny you can be sure Dombrowski and a lot of Boston is going to be mad.  If Dombrowski gets Manny then NY and Cashman will think Boston has improved things this off season especially if their 5 year offer to J.D. Martinez gets accepted soon as rumored. Does Manny and Martinez favor Boston over NY getting Stanton? I would say YES!  Will Dombrowski step up Boston's offer and include Bradley and a pitcher to go with Bogaerts? Some in Boston think it's going to be a Bogaerts for Manny even up  trade and possibly a minor league pitcher.  Not happening! 

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39 minutes ago, weams said:

And yet the Yankees are still asking on Manny. 

Why not?  Time is on their side and I suspect they know quite well they're the best fit.  I have to say I would be surprised if Severino is under discussion.

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