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3 minutes ago, Ruzious said:

it's kinda silly to insist on 2 starting pitchers when you know nobody else is offering that, and it's very obvious (as least I think it is) that Andujar should be included if they trade Manny to NY.  Get the best deal.  We're not going anywhere in 2018.    

It's more than kind of silly.  And last I heard, we also want the two pitchers to be close to major league ready!  It's absurd.  It's almost so absurd and irrational that the conspiracy theorist in me thinks that the whole shopping Manny thing was a PR move to make the educated fanbase (and journalists) think the front office was willing to do something intelligent for once.  I'm sure no such conspiracy exists, I'm just trying to wrap my head around the whole thing.

 

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28 minutes ago, Ruzious said:

it's kinda silly to insist on 2 starting pitchers when you know nobody else is offering that, and it's very obvious (as least I think it is) that Andujar should be included if they trade Manny to NY.  Get the best deal.  We're not going anywhere in 2018.    

That's as silly as thinking you could trade Jason Heyward (going into his walk year) and a reliever for 24-year old Shelby Miller and a younger starter prospect.

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1 minute ago, mdbdotcom said:

That's as silly as thinking you could trade Jason Heyward (going into his walk year) and a reliever for 24-year old Shelby Miller and a younger starter prospect.

Shelby Miller was way overrated.  

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3 minutes ago, Ruzious said:

Shelby Miller was way overrated.  

When he finished 3rd in ROY voting with the Cardinals or when he made the AS team his first year with the Braves?

His last two years have been rough, but he was a solid pitching prospect.

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2 minutes ago, Ruzious said:

Also, I don't think it was clear that Atlanta was going to lose Heyward if he tested free agency - like it is clear that Baltimore is going to lose Machado if he tests free agency.

I don't think that matters at all if a team wants the player. 

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4 minutes ago, mdbdotcom said:

When he finished 3rd in ROY voting with the Cardinals or when he made the AS team his first year with the Braves?

His last two years have been rough, but he was a solid pitching prospect.

Yes, he was a solid pitching prospect.  And he fell off a cliff.  

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It clearly effects bargaining position, imo.  That's always going to matter.  

How you can say "clearly" and "imo" in the same sentence is beyond me. If it's clear, it's not a matter of opinion. If it's imo, than it is totally subjective. If it's clear, please provide evidence that it is true. I think it's just your opinion, which is fine, but it's certainly not clear.

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6 minutes ago, mdbdotcom said:

When he finished 3rd in ROY voting with the Cardinals or when he made the AS team his first year with the Braves?

His last two years have been rough, but he was a solid pitching prospect.

This is the scary thing.   Pitching is just so unpredictable.   We should be going after the best PLAYERS for Machado.  Maybe it allows us to deal from position player strength.

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This is the scary thing.   Pitching is just so unpredictable.   We should be going after the best PLAYERS for Machado.  Maybe it allows us to deal from position player strength.

The best way to make sure your pitching prospects work out is to have a lot of them. Need 2? Get 6. Pitching is a war of attrition. Every team deals with it.

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Sonny Gray and one of the following Chance Adams,  Justus Sheffield, Tyler Austin or Jordon Montgomery should get it done. It's obvious the NYY want Manny and he probably wants them.  It doesn't hurt to ask for a lot and my original comments about Severino and Gray were probably on the Orioles list of players they wanted in a deal. Promptly rejected by NYY and talks still go on. Who knows what the final package will be? Gray and Adams? Gray and Montgomery?

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