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Can_of_corn Hangout Grand Counsel

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12 minutes ago, tntoriole said:

Nobody is ever happy with anything...Castillo was a more than adequate veteran catcher for us in 2017 who is better than Caleb Joseph at the plate and a better catcher than Chance Sisco is at the moment.   CERAs SchmERAs!  Castillo will outperform both in 2018, imho. Lets revisit this at the end of the 2018 season.   But either way, signing yet another catcher option is a complete and totally meaningless nothing burger while the team is in its current straits. 

I would hope he would outperform both, he's making a lot more.

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10 minutes ago, tntoriole said:

This offseason was bust for me when Dan didn’t go to Toronto. 

I was being serious.  The second I realized that a rebuild was out of the question I accepted that 2018 was a lost season.  Not trading Machado this offseason is going to look about as good as not trading Britton at the deadline has looked.

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2 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

I was being serious.  The second I realized that a rebuild was out of the question I accepted that 2018 was a lost season.  Not trading Machado this offseason is going to look about as good as not trading Britton at the deadline has looked.

I was advocating trading Manny and Zach after their big seasons last winter...I understand why, but I still would have.  At this point it is irrelevant to me whether they get a piddling  nothing at the deadline or just let him walk.  That ship sailed long ago for me. 

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2 hours ago, tntoriole said:

Neither of these guys will provide the production that Castillo gave us last year.  So we are still down relative to our last place team last year in this position. 

And signing this guy is like...."Hey, the house is burning down.   Oh, let's rearrange the furniture in the back bedroom."  

I just want to add that I traded for Andrew Susac to be my backup for my O's Franchise in MLB The Show 17 on PS4 and I won the World Series in that game on VETERAN DIFFICULTY .... so ummmmm, yeah, print the tickets, boys!

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31 minutes ago, tntoriole said:

Nobody is ever happy with anything...Castillo was a more than adequate veteran catcher for us in 2017 who is better than Caleb Joseph at the plate and a better catcher than Chance Sisco is at the moment.   CERAs SchmERAs!  Castillo will outperform both in 2018, imho. Lets revisit this at the end of the 2018 season.   But either way, signing yet another catcher option is a complete and totally meaningless nothing burger while the team is in its current straits. 

I agree the Susac deal is nothing. But, I would like to point out that I said Castillo was a downgrade from Weiters before last season started. And he was. Catcher is a defense first position to me. And Castillo sucks defensively. Period. So to this old man, Caleb Joseph is more valuable than Castillo. You cannot hide a defensive slug behind the plate. Not now, not ever.

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8 minutes ago, theocean said:

I just want to add that I traded for Andrew Susac to be my backup for my O's Franchise in MLB The Show 17 on PS4 and I won the World Series in that game on VETERAN DIFFICULTY .... so ummmmm, yeah, print the tickets, boys!

There ya go. 

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23 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

I was being serious.  The second I realized that a rebuild was out of the question I accepted that 2018 was a lost season.  Not trading Machado this offseason is going to look about as good as not trading Britton at the deadline has looked.

When the knees blow out. 

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3 minutes ago, theobird said:

I agree the Susac deal is nothing. But, I would like to point out that I said Castillo was a downgrade from Weiters before last season started. And he was. Catcher is a defense first position to me. And Castillo sucks defensively. Period. So to this old man, Caleb Joseph is more valuable than Castillo. You cannot hide a defensive slug behind the plate. Not now, not ever.

Castillo shrugged just fine when balls were sent rocketing out of the park.  Which will be the main function of whomever is catching the mystery meat staff we are looking at. 

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25 minutes ago, theobird said:

I agree the Susac deal is nothing. But, I would like to point out that I said Castillo was a downgrade from Weiters before last season started. And he was. Catcher is a defense first position to me. And Castillo sucks defensively. Period. So to this old man, Caleb Joseph is more valuable than Castillo. You cannot hide a defensive slug behind the plate. Not now, not ever.

I disagree with your assessment about Castillo ...he was not a “slug” defensively.  He threw out 44.1percent of runners, his framing metrics were significantly improved and his FRAAadj was higher than ever and higher than Yadier Molina and Realmuto, for example.  He is a more than adequate defensive catcher on his performance last year, imho. 

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8 minutes ago, tntoriole said:

I disagree with your assessment about Castillo ...he was not a “slug” defensively.  He threw out 44.1percent of runners, his framing metrics were significantly improved and his FRAAadj was higher than ever and higher than Yadier Molina and Realmuto, for example.  He is a more than adequate defensive catcher on his performance last year, imho. 

OK. We disagree. We don't disagree on this FO and its ridiculous management of this team. :)

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